Can anyone explain to me...

Open to topics unrelated to Speed-Talk.
No politics. No religion topics.

Moderator: Team

enigma57
Guru
Guru
Posts: 1989
Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:59 pm
Location: Galt's Gulch

Post by enigma57 »

rskrause wrote:David: Easy to answer. Obama and his henchmen want to create a Socialist Bureaucracy. What have now is a Bureauracy with both Capitalist and Socialist elements. IOW, we are moving from one towards the other. BTW: I believe that some of Obama's Tzars want a Communist system, and what's amazing is how open they are are about it.

Can we at least agree that there is too much Bureaucracy?

Pray for a miracle in Massachusetts!

Richard
Richard, I agree wholeheartedly. Your analysis is spot on.

Best regards,

Harry
enigma57
Guru
Guru
Posts: 1989
Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:59 pm
Location: Galt's Gulch

Post by enigma57 »

David Redszus wrote:As a child, I was taught that we live under certain governing conditions. Lately, I have some difficulty remembering what those idealistic conditions of state really were. As I get older, some of the distinctions of form have become blurred.

Can anyone identify which of the following forms of governance belong to the United States today? And which ones are we supposed to have?


Autocracy: system of government ruled by one who has absolute, supreme, uncontrolled power or authority over others.

Bureaucracy: a government administered by bureaus, departments or officials, often excessively numerous, extremely powerful, and inflexibly routine.

Capitalism: form of economic, industrial, and social organization of society involving ownership, control, and direction by privately owned businesses and citizens.

Communism: the theory of a social system in which everything is held in common and private ownership is not permitted, featuring ruthless suppression of all political opposition and individual liberties.

Dictatorship: absolute control of economic and political power by a government of the working class.

Fascism: a centralized autocratic national regime with extremely nationalistic policies, featuring forced suppression of opposition: unions, leftists, and minorities, with an economic system based on privately owned but state controlled capitalism.

Freedom: the state or quality of being free, unencumbered or liberated from some other person or some arbitrary power or restriction, being free to choose, act and move without hindrance and restraint.

Socialism: economic and political system, aimed at governmental ownership and operation of all means of production and distribution, rather than by private individuals.

Now just who the hell are we?

Websters Unabridged
David, as you know, our form of government in America as set forth in Article IV of our Constitution is that of a Constitutional Representative Republic.

Regarding your very thought provoking question as stated below the definitions given in your post......
Now just who the hell are we?
I was curious to see what the current definitions given in online searches were and was appalled by the sheer magnitude of misinformation on the internet, repeated time and again. Granted, I take anything in Wikipedia and the like with a grain of salt, as I have noted many glaring errors and omissions...... But their various entries in this regard very nearly made me barf!

If this inaccurate revisionist crap is what is being spoon fed to our young people in school and in university now of days...... Its no wonder some of them are misinformed and/or confused. And therein lies much of the problem...... Revisionism...... Which carries over to the online dictionaries as well.

In order to get back to something more akin to the truth, I believe we would do well to consider the original definitions of terms such as fascism...... The definitions utilized before the revisionists 'wrote their personal perspective in', so to speak.

The original definition of fascism made no mention of 'unions, leftists, and minorities' as being victims of fascism...... Implying that the left of center point of view is diametrically opposed to fascism (good) and therefore those having views to right of center are fascist (bad). The original definition reads this way, however......
Fascism

A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)
(American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957).
Nationalism is at times added into the definition of fascism now of days as well...... Implying that fascism and nationalism go hand in hand (in truth, they do not) and that the globalist, internationalist, left of center 'citizen of the world bearing no true allegiance to one's country of origin' point of view is diametrically opposed to fascism (good) and therefore those having nationalist (pride of country) views to right of center are fascist (bad).

Of course this is utter rubbish (nothing at all wrong with being proud of one's country and heritage).

I would submit that fascism, statism and socialism are not mutually exclusive and that history has shown us that only by incorporating elements of each, were the most despotic and totalitarian forms of government able to consolidate and maintain tyrannical control of every aspect of citizens' lives. Here is an interesting piece which explores the common attributes of socialism and fascism......

http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/OBJECTIVISM/socfasc.html

Additionally, in the current context...... Nationalism largely been been supplanted by globalism and internationalism amongst those whose agenda includes fascism, statism and socialism. For their ultimate goal is world domination under one central government. Ceding our sovereignty and subjugating America to the globalists at the UN is only the beginning. I have no doubt that in his delusional, narcissistic mindset, Obama sees the American presidency only as a stepping stone on his path to head the UN. And just as he was quick to throw one of his former mentors (Alice Palmer) under the bus for personal political gain...... Selling out America is a small price for him to pay in his rise to international power. That's how I see it, anyway.

Best regards,

Harry
kirkwoodken
Guru
Guru
Posts: 1541
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:35 pm
Location:

Post by kirkwoodken »

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... liday-tra/

Lying is bad, even when you are not the President. Obama does enough wrong without spreading stories about Mao ornaments. Seems counterproductive to me.

The selling out of America began with Henry Kissinger opening the Chinese door for American business. Thanks to Henry and the wise business decisions that followed, we no longer have a manufacturing base. We no longer have good paying jobs, or poor paying jobs. We have a debt that cannot be paid by any means. In a short period of time, we will be a country of lords and serfs. The intellectual power needed to become a great Nation again is gone, as is the desire to do so. We have been sold down the river by a corrupt government and, thanks to outlets like Fox news, the blame is always foisted on those who have had no power to make the decisions that have brought us to this point. We are in a position brought about by our own lack of diligent interest in the affairs of our country. Pogo was right! I can lay none of this at Obama's feet, as it's been going on for 40 years. Keep believing all the BS that has put American workers out of jobs like the Global Economy crap. There has been a Global Economy as long as there have been boats and camel trains. Anyone who thinks Global Economy is the reason for our demise has been brain washed.

The bottom line is the system/type of government makes no difference. When that government is corrupt and only serves a favored group, that nation will fail.

The Right Wing Supreme Court, yesterday, legislated from the bench, striking down a legal precedent in force for over 100 years, solely for the political and financial gain of one Party. There should be no doubt as to whether they can be bought and sold the same as the rest of our governing bodies.

It was great while it lasted. I've had the best time to live since the beginning of creation. Growing up in the 50's and 60's was as good as it got. No one hates to see it gone more than I. I have persisted in my disdain for any foreign made materials. I have never shopped at Walmart. Always owned GM cars till I started working at Chrysler. The first thing I said when I heard of Mercedes plan to by Chrysler was everybody walk out NOW. If they think they will have Union trouble, maybe they will back out of the deal. Everyone thought being owned by Mercedes would open up more markets. We'd have jobs forever. More brainwashing! The only one who made out on that deal was the SOB Bob Lutz, who it was rumored made $250 million for ruining a good company. (Quoting Lee Iococca.)

You right-wingers can blame the left, and the left-wingers can blame the right. The fact that we think that way shows how well the real source of our eventual misery has covered the blame. And you can be damned sure they won't be the ones getting the welfare checks. More like the ones with their own islands.
"Life is too short to not run a solid roller cam."
"Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about."
I am NOT an Expert, and DEFINITELY NOT a GURU.
Kirkwoodken
enigma57
Guru
Guru
Posts: 1989
Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:59 pm
Location: Galt's Gulch

Post by enigma57 »

:D Ken, I reckon we agree on some things and have differing takes on other things, depending on our respective worldviews and the news sources we consider as credible.

I agree with you that Nixon and every president who has served since (both Democrat and Republican alike)...... Has been wrong to pursue trade and grant 'most favoured nation' trading status to the Chicoms. The government of that nation has been our enemy since the end of the 2nd World War and will remain so as long as the communist regime is in place there. I have only to look at the scars on my legs made by a Chicom rocket the NVA sent our way shortly after midnight on 8 May, 1967 to remind me of that.

And like yourself, our family do not shop at Wal-Mart and we make every effort to buy American unless it is something that is an absolute necessity and there is no choice in the matter (no American nor failing that, Canadian made product available). At times, we simply elect not to purchase certain items that we can do without rather than buy offshore stuff.

With regard to the globalists, I strongly disagree. Before both the Democrats and the Republicans got on board with NAFTA, open borders (both economically and physically), America had a pretty good system of tariffs and import / export duties and trade agreements with other nations that ensured American workers and American businesses had a fair go in the global marketplace. Until that system is reinstated and the situation reversed, American jobs will continue to be lost and Chinese (and other) slave labour will continue to produce substandard products subsidized by their government and dumped on our markets at cut rate prices American businesses and workers cannot compete with. And until our borders are secured, illegals will continue to flood into our nation taking jobs Americans can and will do, working for substandard wages (which drives wages for Americans down as well) and placing an unsustainable burden on social services at the local, county, state and federal levels, not to mention that of our education system.

The Supreme Court is far from 'right wing' in overall makeup and in their decisions in recent years. And they did not 'legislate from the bench' in this instance. The recent decision you refer to merely removes a recently unconstitutionally legislated constraint placed on campaign contributions which allowed the Democrat candidate in the '08 presidential election to outspend his opponent by a margin of 2 to 1, thereby leveling the playing field somewhat. Nothing was done by them to address the fact that the liberal-biased media propaganda spoon fed to those who are gullible enough to still give them credence is worth a 12 to 15 point advantage in national elections. But at least now, candidates not running as Democrats can buy sufficient air time to get their message out (if they can come up with the money) to counter to some extent the free promotion that Democrat candidates and liberal causes get for free day in and day out. So I would say they did the right thing for once.

I agree that when government is corrupt and only serves to perpetuate the power structure of a particular party, a nation will fail in time if the situation is not corrected. Congress has been controlled by Democrats the majority of the time since the 1960s and look where that's gotten us. As for the Republicans, they blew it when they had a chance to really do some good. Part of the problem is that the Democrat party leadership are bad losers and the Republican party leadership are bad winners (no guts to assert themselves as do the Democrats when they have a majority...... Too many wimbly-wombly 'go along to get along' types amongst their number in my view).

I do not agree however, that the type / system of government makes no difference. It most certainly does and this is the reason America is the greatest nation on G-d's green earth in which to live, even with what the radical ultra-leftists currently in power are attempting to push on us. I have known people who made it here to freedom from the former Soviet Union and from Castro's Cuba as well as those from countries that are not communist per se, but where socialists have made inroads and have pretty much brought those nations to ruin since the end of the 2nd World War. And that includes socialized medicine. Our family learned only last month of the passing of one of my wife's former in-laws in the UK, the circumstances of which can be directly traced to the socialized and rationed health care system in place there.

When it comes to politics, I admit to having become somewhat cynical over time. As a young union organizer and lifelong Democrat many moons ago, I worked hard for former President Carter's election. Even met the man once. Sure had me fooled. I only came to see him for what he really was when he failed to respond with immediate and overwhelming military force when our embassy was overrun and our citizens taken hostage in 1979 by the Iranian Islamic revolutionaries (of which Ahmadinejad was one of the student leaders). By that time, I was again serving in the military and we were ready to go. But it was not to be and thus began 444 days of national disgrace, thanks to Carter's failure to execute his oath of office.

So yes, I have become cynical. I ask myself before voting...... When all is said and done, which party will do the least damage to our nation, to my family and loved ones and to myself during their tenure in office. As a result, since 1980 I have not voted for a single Democrat, nor will I ever again in this lifetime. As for Republicans, I consider their party the lesser of evils and vote only for the conservatives in that party...... Except when to abstain from voting in a particular race might result in a Democrat majority in Congress. If it comes to that...... I'll grit my teeth, curse under my breath and vote for a RINO as the lesser of evils, all things considered.

I agree...... Lying is bad, even when you are not the president. FWIW...... And I really could care less, as I would expect nothing more of the current occupant of the Oval Office and those he surrounds himself with anyway...... The chairman Mao ornament happened. Yes, you can find liberal-biased internet sites such as 'politifact' and others that will give them cover...... But I have checked the facts of the matter against several sources I have found to be consistently credible over time...... And yes...... It happened.

I am not privy to what transpired between Mr. Lutz and Chrysler Corp., so cannot comment there, Ken. You may very well be right. I do recall his saying publicly that so-called 'human-induced global warming' was "a crock of sh*t". So at least he had the stones to stand up and tell the truth about that.

Best regards,

Harry
rmcomprandy

Post by rmcomprandy »

Everyone wants to avoid saying this but, it's ALL about race and the "political correctness" which is going on in this country NEEDS to stop ... It seems the majorities are forced to go along with whatever the minorities and their "bleeding heart backers" wish to present out in the public.

Why in hell did Kwamy Killpatric, (spelling?), get re-elected in Detroit as their mayor when everyone already knew he was a crook ... the answer is because he was all for advancing the black man in that city and the hell with everybody else. And, Detroit is 86% black.
As the now jailed for accepting bribes Detroit councilwoman Monica Conyers said, (Oh, and she IS the wife of U.S. Congressman John Conyers), "Black people CAN'T be racists because THEY are the minoirity". With thinking like that which is the normal among black people, it's no wonder this country is going the way it is.

Yes, "EQUAL protection under the law" doesn't really apply to EVERYONE anymore, (especially if you are a non-unionized, white male, born American citizen), and this is just the beginning of what is ON THE WAY...
enigma57
Guru
Guru
Posts: 1989
Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:59 pm
Location: Galt's Gulch

Post by enigma57 »

Point well taken, Randy. 'Political correctness' is what will bring this nation down unless it is put to an end once and for all and more people stand up and speak the truth without regard to whether it will 'offend' (even though true)...... Or whether they will be 'liked'. Truth is...... Life isn't a popularity contest. Its not about about doing what we think others want us to do so they will 'like' us. Life is about doing the right thing no matter what others may say. And being imperfect, having the guts to do the next right thing, should we screw up the first time 'round.

* Were it not for 'political correctness', our brave men and women in harm's way overseas would not be hamstrung with absolutely ridiculous 'rules of engagement'.

* Were it not for 'political correctness', our nation would have gone into Iran the moment it became clear (5 years ago) that the majority of our casualties in Iraq were the result of improved Iranian made IEDs and the result of Iranian trained snipers of al QUDS Force. Or at the very least, we could get the hell out of the Israeli's way and let them take out the Iranian nuke sites (which will have to be done soon anyway).

* And were it not for such self-defeating constraints placed on them as an extension of the liberal worldview of many in Congress as dictated to our top military commanders...... Our troops would have finished the job long ago and would be home now and many of them would not have died nor have been maimed carrying out their mission.

That is why 'political correctness' must be done away with before this self-defeating insanity brings our very nation down. I don't give a damn whether our nation's enemies 'like' us...... So long as they respect us. And if they don't respect us...... They better damn well learn to fear us. For those of us who love America will never allow our nation to be brought down by those who hate her...... Whether from without...... Or from within.

Best regards,

Harry
David Redszus
Guru
Guru
Posts: 9633
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Chicago
Contact:

Post by David Redszus »

That is why 'political correctness' must be done away with before this self-defeating insanity brings our very nation down. I don't give a damn whether our nation's enemies 'like' us...... So long as they respect us. And if they don't respect us...... They better damn well learn to fear us.
Respect is never given nor demanded; it is earned. And we have not earned much of it lately.

The silly notion that we can use military force to force anyone in the world into our way of thinking or our way of life is absolutely crazy.

Harry, as you know, I have good reasons to support our military forces. But I have every reason to strong oppose their continuing misuse and misdeployment for global political purposes. Read Clauswitz.


We have met the enemy and they are us. Pogo
1989TransAm
Guru
Guru
Posts: 15481
Joined: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:43 pm
Location: Cypress, California

Post by 1989TransAm »

For clarification I don't think the use of our military in the war on terror against radical Islam is a misuse of our military. I support it.
David Redszus
Guru
Guru
Posts: 9633
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Chicago
Contact:

Post by David Redszus »

1989TransAm wrote:For clarification I don't think the use of our military in the war on terror against radical Islam is a misuse of our military. I support it.
Very interesting. Most of our top military commanders certainly think it is a misuse. But in the military, if you disagree with your senior officer, you keep you mouth shut.

Personally, I think those folks who think the war on terror is legitimate, should see their local armed forces recruiter and enlist.

Talk is cheap.
1989TransAm
Guru
Guru
Posts: 15481
Joined: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:43 pm
Location: Cypress, California

Post by 1989TransAm »

I did and have served in the past. Proudly I might add.
User avatar
Alan Roehrich
Guru
Guru
Posts: 3069
Joined: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:58 pm
Location: Murfreesboro TN
Contact:

Post by Alan Roehrich »

David Redszus wrote:
1989TransAm wrote:For clarification I don't think the use of our military in the war on terror against radical Islam is a misuse of our military. I support it.
Very interesting. Most of our top military commanders certainly think it is a misuse. But in the military, if you disagree with your senior officer, you keep you mouth shut.

Personally, I think those folks who think the war on terror is legitimate, should see their local armed forces recruiter and enlist.

Talk is cheap.
Personally, I don't buy any of that crap. Most people I know in the military are hardcore about actually getting the job done, and they think the job is theirs to do. And I'm speaking specifically of the very men who go and do the job.

Oh, and just so you know, when I was young and they had plenty of recruits, they considered me 4F after 3 knee surgeries. And I'm too old now.

Yeah, talk is cheap, and for some of the content, it's a really good thing it's free.
enigma57
Guru
Guru
Posts: 1989
Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:59 pm
Location: Galt's Gulch

Post by enigma57 »

1989TransAm wrote:I did and have served in the past. Proudly I might add.
Same here, TransAm. USMC (infantry), USN (tender rat working aboard nuke subs in the '70s) and USNR (SeaBees) middle aged reservist on active duty during Desert Shield / Desert Storm.

Kinda wore this old body out doing that and working heavy construction. I'm 62 now. But if they'd take me, I'd do it all again if I wouldn't be a burden on anyone younger and faster on their feet.

Best regards to all,

Harry
enigma57
Guru
Guru
Posts: 1989
Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:59 pm
Location: Galt's Gulch

Post by enigma57 »

David Redszus wrote:
That is why 'political correctness' must be done away with before this self-defeating insanity brings our very nation down. I don't give a damn whether our nation's enemies 'like' us...... So long as they respect us. And if they don't respect us...... They better damn well learn to fear us.
Respect is never given nor demanded; it is earned. And we have not earned much of it lately.

The silly notion that we can use military force to force anyone in the world into our way of thinking or our way of life is absolutely crazy.

Harry, as you know, I have good reasons to support our military forces. But I have every reason to strong oppose their continuing misuse and misdeployment for global political purposes. Read Clauswitz.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, David. Actually, I have read and studied 'Vom Kriege' by Carl von Clauswitz some years ago. I wanted to read it in its original form without the various interpretations and agenda (plural) of modern English translators corrupting his intent. My command of German being quite limited, I employed the assistance of a friend who is a native German speaker and who could read from the original text with insight into the nuances of the language, especially those common to the Napoleonic period. And especially with regard to von Clauswitz's dialectic method of presenting opposing viewpoints. That is where many interpretations of his work go off track, I believe. To understand his work, the first question we must resolve is whether von Clauswitz's methodology was similar to that of his contemporary, Georg Hegel...... Or whether his perspective was more in line with the classical dialectic method of presentation utilized by Heraclitus. All things considered, my friend and I both decided independently that von Clauswitz dielectic should be read in the classical method as originally formulated by Heraclitus.

In so doing, I believe that I came away with a fair understanding of von Clauswitz's observations and their relevance today. Regarding modern iterations and various commentaries on his works, there is a point to be made by those who disparage its relevance in today's world...... But only in the context of global thermo-nuclear conflagration in my view. Take the notion of 'mutually assured destruction' by superpowers capable and willing to engage in such action off the table and his works remain relevant today.

Essentially, my reading of von Clauswitz's views reflect my own observances and experiences in life. To sum up in my own words without going into so much detail that the salient points are obfuscated......

War is not to be entered into lightly. It must be for a just reason and cause. Limited (measured) response is ineffectual. If you make the decision to go to war, whether reactively or preemptively...... You must do it with overwhelming force applied straight away...... With your objective being to quickly defeat the enemy absolutely and unequivocally, leaving him with neither the means nor the will to continue to wage war against you. And having deprived your enemy of the means with which to wage war, you must follow through and defeat the philosophy that prompted him to wage war against you in the first place and supplant it with a philosophy more akin to your own...... Else you have not won, but have only interrupted a conflict in progress which will be renewed against you once your enemy has sufficiently reconstituted his forces.

In short...... Don't go to war unless you are ready, willing and able to prosecute it with all your might and then follow through, as we did with Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany following the 2nd World War. In today's context...... Our leaders must understand that the enemy is not necessarily the 1.5 billion Muslims inhabiting planet earth...... But it damned well is the minority amongst their number...... The 20,000 or so radicalized Islamist jihadists worldwide who have taken up arms against Western civilization...... And those on the periphery who support them in any way, whether directly or indirectly. As such, the philosophy they adhere to which dictates that all unlike themselves must either die or be subjugated under Shariah law..... Must be defeated as well and supplanted with something more compatible to our own worldview. Until someone has the foresight and the intestinal fortitude to do that...... All we are doing is fighting a delaying action whilst our enemies laugh in rightful derision at our weakness of resolve and our failure to grasp the enormity of the threat they pose. For they have no such ambiguity of purpose and they will take every advantage given them by those who buy into the self-defeating insanity of 'political correctness' and all it entails.

I reject however, the notion some adhere to that a single element of warfare, be it air power, sea power, counterinsurgency or the like taken out of the overall context of war can supplant a comprehensive engagement of the enemy on all fronts. Short of destroying the entire planet and yourself along with your enemy in a global thermo-nuclear holocaust...... You cannot effectively wage war without boots on the ground. Attempting to do so only prolongs the struggle and the ultimate number of casualties (both combatant and non-combatant alike) on all sides.

War, by its very nature is inhumane. The most humane thing we can do for all involved once having taken that step is to throw all our might behind winning and ending such conflicts as quickly as possible, rather than allowing them to drag on unresolved for interminable periods of time. And that includes 3rd party brokered 'cease fires' and 'peace initiatives' prematurely imposed on the warring parties by well meaning, but naive American presidents without having first resolved the conflict. For in truth, these are really nothing more than temporary cessations of armed hostilities which ultimately prolong war and human suffering on all sides until a final conclusion is reached...... A final conclusion resulting in an undisputed victor, with the defeated foe acknowledging that fact by suing for unconditional surrender.

Best regards,

Harry
David Redszus
Guru
Guru
Posts: 9633
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:27 am
Location: Chicago
Contact:

Post by David Redszus »

Harry, I am pleased to see that someone has actually read Clauswitz. Truly understanding his work is another matter.

When Clauswitz wrote his treatise, war was considered to be only between nation states with regular armed forces. In that context, the use of massive force with the aim of unconditional surrender made sense.

But, he also pointed out two much more important tenants of war.

First, war is merely an extension of the political process by other means. If the political process is flawed, going to war will not produce a beneficial outcome. It is absolutely necessary to obtain the overwhelming support of the people in order to wage war successfully. That is not the case today. Politicians who use our military as pawns in a political chess game, wasting lives and treasure, for no real benefit, should be arrested, shot and tried. (As in Nuremburg)

Second, Clauswitz pointed out the futility of waging conventional warfare against insurrection which does not involve a clearly defined enemy. You cannot wage war against an "ism." It is well acknowledged among our military commanders, that we are fighting a war (again) we cannot win and the best hope is to hang on until retirement or hope that the politicians find something else to do.

Necessary wars are bad enough; unnecessary wars are a crime against humanity. And against ourselves.
enigma57
Guru
Guru
Posts: 1989
Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:59 pm
Location: Galt's Gulch

Post by enigma57 »

David, we are in agreement on von Clauswitz for the most part. Regarding his dialectic method of presenting opposing viewpoints...... Though you take his declaration regarding 'war as merely a continuation of politics by other means' as a statement of fact, whilst I read it as his statement of opposing viewpoint to his thesis as stated in his earlier, broader declaration regarding 'war being like unto a duel or struggle on a grander scale'...... I believe we can both agree that war should never be merely a continuation of the political process by which nations interact...... Added leverage in the form of limited (measured) military action to get the opposing side back to the negotiating table, if you will. That is a misuse of military force in my view.

Where we differ is in what each of us defines as a just reason and cause to go to war and what is winnable and what is not.

* In my view, defence of self, of one's homeland and one's fellow countrymen...... And of innocents unable to defend themselves against a stronger foe...... Is a just reason and cause to go to war, whether reactively or preemptively.

* And no just war is unwinnable by our nation if prosecuted with firm resolve, the full might of our military and seen through to its conclusion. Even a war against terrorists used as surrogates by rogue states to wage war against us...... As a ploy to insulate those responsible in those rogue states from being held to account. However...... Having undertaken such a war, we must follow through and take it home to the rogue states sponsoring those surrogate combatants, else we fail to address the root cause of the conflict and will have to repeat our military deployments against a progressively stronger enemy over time...... An enemy potentially having nuclear, biological and chemical capabilities...... And no reservations against using them.

Remember...... Rogue states sponsoring terrorists do not require sophisticated electronic guidance systems and ICBMs to deliver a nuke or a bio weapon or a chemical weapon of mass destruction on target here Stateside. They have many misguided and gullible fanatics who are all too ready to act as human delivery systems. That is why we must address the problem at its source and take the war home to those rogue states who use terrorists as surrogate combatants to wage war against us.

Best regards,

Harry
Post Reply