It's all about being up front about the origin of one's products.Engguy wrote:Thats all politics and has nothing to do with the strength, and quality of the material.
tom
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Reminds me in some ways of something my folks related to me when I was a teenager, Tom. Seems that priour to and immediately following the 2nd World War, Japan was importing a lot of scrap metal from us here Stateside and dumping inferior products on the American market.machine shop tom wrote:I just received my "Engine Builder" magazine the other day. It came with a flyer or catalog rack insert from U.S Crankshaft, apparently a division or new name for Scat. The products in the flyer are billet and forged crankshafts.
To me the name "U.S. Crankshaft" implies that the products sold are U.S. made. But there is no indication that the products in the flyer are any different than the imported items already offered by Scat. I will say that the machining is apparently done in the U.S., but the raw pieces are "the finest billet material in the world".
Now, I may be splitting hairs here, but shouldn't one be able to expect that something labeled as a "U.S. Crankshaft" product be something that is actually MADE in the U.S.?
tom
My dad was on the U.S.S. Fanshaw Bay (CVE 70) during the Battle off Samar in October 1944 (www.bosamar.com).enigma57 wrote:
Reminds me in some ways of something my folks related to me when I was a teenager, Tom. Seems that priour to and immediately following the 2nd World War, Japan was importing a lot of scrap metal from us here Stateside and dumping inferior products on the American market.
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Best regards,
Harry
Thank you for clearing that up.US CRANKSHAFT wrote:SCAT has manufactured crankshafts in the U.S. since 1966. We are the oldest performance crankshaft company in the United States. We have the most versatile offering of cast, forged and billet crankshafts. SCAT is the benchmark in the crank world. Everything from our name, unique designs, cataloging, advertising, manufacturing technique, part numbers, engineering and material development have been copied. We enjoy the most prestigious customers and our cranks have one in every race venue except Formula One.
The U.S. Crankshaft catalog explains in detail every aspect of our decision to separate the billet manufacturing from the general product line. Our billet material is purchased in the U.S. but has origin from British steel. The billet supplier also services all the other manufacturers in the U.S. Our manufacturing of the billet material into a crankshaft is done 100% at SCAT and the heat treating is done by the same heat treating facility that services all the west coast crankshaft manufacturers.
Below is a link to an editorial written for the August, 2005 issue of Hot Rod Magazine. This will explain further the reality of the world we live in.
http://www.uscrankshaft.com/misc/doc/Bench_Racing.pdf
P.S. If you have any further questions or comments we will be at the PRI show in Orlando, Florida from 12-10-2009 – 12-12-2009. Or you can reach us anytime at SCAT 6 days a week. If you have further doubts, visit us and we will personally give you a tour of our modern facility.
There are various labeling laws in place today but they don't really mean much. For example, I used to work at a place that sold products to the Feds. The Feds have a sourcing content rule that prohibits them from buying products made in certain countries. One of our products was on the "no sale" list so we sent those products to an "approved" country where the product was partially taken apart and put back together. That activity met the guidelines and everyone was happy. The Feds got the product they wanted and it met their rules. We sold the product and got the money. The folks in the "bad" country made their profit and the folks in the "good" country made some money. Only person who got screwed was the taxpayer who had to pay extra for all of the silly BS created by Congress and their stupidity.rmcomprandy wrote:California, (where SCAT is located), has a law which distinguishes the LEGALITY of how a product can be labeled a U.S.A. part.
They have taken "political correctness" away from shady labeling and made a company present a more insightful avenue of telling the way that part got to the marketplace, in order for that part to wear the "made in U.S.A." label...
I don't usually agree with California legalities however, I think this is one instance which NEEDS to become federal law.
Amen, brother. I remember when Patriot Cylinder heads first came out with the American flag waving in it's advertisments. That is intentionally misleading. And it DOES matter.machine shop tom wrote:Regardless of crappy a product may or may not be, the consumer has the right to know of it's origin so he may have the choice of contributing or not to an entity he may or not favor.
tom
Which Indy Car race was won with one of your crankshafts? Which IMSA GTP/GTU car won with one of your crankshafts?US CRANKSHAFT wrote:SCAT has manufactured crankshafts in the U.S. since 1966. We are the oldest performance crankshaft company in the United States. We have the most versatile offering of cast, forged and billet crankshafts. SCAT is the benchmark in the crank world. Everything from our name, unique designs, cataloging, advertising, manufacturing technique, part numbers, engineering and material development have been copied. We enjoy the most prestigious customers and our cranks have one in every race venue except Formula One.
The U.S. Crankshaft catalog explains in detail every aspect of our decision to separate the billet manufacturing from the general product line. Our billet material is purchased in the U.S. but has origin from British steel. The billet supplier also services all the other manufacturers in the U.S. Our manufacturing of the billet material into a crankshaft is done 100% at SCAT and the heat treating is done by the same heat treating facility that services all the west coast crankshaft manufacturers.
Below is a link to an editorial written for the August, 2005 issue of Hot Rod Magazine. This will explain further the reality of the world we live in.
http://www.uscrankshaft.com/misc/doc/Bench_Racing.pdf
P.S. If you have any further questions or comments we will be at the PRI show in Orlando, Florida from 12-10-2009 – 12-12-2009. Or you can reach us anytime at SCAT 6 days a week. If you have further doubts, visit us and we will personally give you a tour of our modern facility.
What the heck does that have to do with anything.bubbabbc wrote:[
Which Indy Car race was won with one of your crankshafts? Which IMSA GTP/GTU car won with one of your crankshafts?
The closest I ever came to supporting an Indy Car or IMSA team was back in 1988. I held an umbrella for Myron Billingsly during a terrible thunderstorm at a 1/4 mile dirt track IMCA race in Nebraska. He finished seventh in the consi, so I never did stay for the feature.CamKing wrote:What the heck does that have to do with anything.bubbabbc wrote:[
Which Indy Car race was won with one of your crankshafts? Which IMSA GTP/GTU car won with one of your crankshafts?
IndyCar is a spec series that runs de-tuned Honda engines with rev-limiters.
How much power do GTP/GTU engines make?
I've seen more then one 800+hp circle track engine with a scat crank in it.
I think you'd be supprised who scat makes cranks for.
BTW bubba, how many Indy Car and IMSA race winners did you contribute to?
Perhaps bubba just wants the claim backed up?CamKing wrote:.........
What the heck does that have to do with anything.........
Perhaps bubba can take a man at his word?machine shop tom wrote: Perhaps bubba just wants the claim backed up?
In the 80's and 90's, the name "Indy Car" was owned by CART.bubbabbc wrote: The old Indy car series and IMSA cars back in the 80's and 90's were two of the more elite classes running.