NASCAR jumps into bed with Al Gore

Alan Roehrich · Post by **Alan Roehrich** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:45 am

Larry Widmer wrote:How many of us didn't care for emissions laws? Despite all the complaints, they are reality.
You are never going to get enough emails, phone calls, letters, etc from all of those who don't believe in global warming to change a thing. Most people are too apathetic to do make any noise on the subject.....and even if you did manage to get half the country on the band wagon, it's still not going to change the course that's charted for internal combustion engines in cars...
They are going away, it's as inevitable as the nose on your face.
Many of you are like a bunch of ostriches with your heads buried in the sand. You can choose to continue complaining to each other (underground), or figure out how to work with the new rules and prosper.

This is exactly the mentality that has gotten us where we are.

If the founding fathers had this mentality, we'd still be paying taxes to the crown and bowing before the queen.

Deciding that stupid will run the world, and that it is inevitable that stupid shall triumph over common sense, will be the death of the planet, and the human race.

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:20 am

Alan, I agree wholeheartedly. As has been rightly noted here by the majority of posters......

A. So-called 'human-induced global warming' is total BS! The biggest hoax perpetrated on mankind in our lifetime.

B. And so are 'Cap and Tax', the pending Copenhagen Treaty and all the other initiatives that have as their basis the flawed theory of 'human-induced global warming'.

C. For anyone who hasn't put it all together yet......

* Like every other initiative pushed by the current administration...... 'Cap and Tax' and signing onto the Copenhagen Treaty are nothing more than pretext for the largest transfer of power and wealth from the American people to government in our nation's history thus far. Possibly as bad for America and for Americans as the current administration's desire to impose single payer socialized medicine on us all.

* No...... Americans do not have to go along with this nor cede our very sovereignty to the globalists by signing onto international treaties that purport to supersede our Constitution. We are still a self-governing, sovereign nation and there are many millions of us who will step up and do whatever it takes to see that our nation and our fellow countrymen remain free.

(With apologies to Bjørn...... Wasn't going to post here on the General Discussion forum, but felt compelled to respond to the defeatist comments of some here.)

Best regards,

Harry

Engguy · Post by **Engguy** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:21 am

nitro2 wrote:I think most people can see the writing on the wall, its not just racing, lots of things are being forced upon people that shouldn't be. On the otherhand there are some special interest groups that seem to have no problem getting their way, over time at least. Freedoms are being lost every day for no good reason, and new ones are being handed out to specific factions. So does one go with the flow, someone else's flow, or make an effort to stop the nonsense? Little by little freedom of choice is being lost. Not the freedom of choice in buying things on ebay, but the kind that matters, the kind that people before us had and we have lost or are losing.

Oh we had a nonpartisan race

for King county executive recently, and the new winner Dow Constantine said he was a demoncrat and supported obama and his opponent a woman did not believe in a "WOMANS RIGHT TO CHOOSE" funny he never mentioned that she could only CHOOSE to kill her unborn baby, and that she (womans right to choose) would have no rights in choosing to cut down a tree on her property. These bums preach a womans right of choice???????????? And never mention they don't want anyone to have a choice other than what I just mentioned.

Larry, why support the lie? (Global warming / climate change)

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:58 am

Typical of cars sanctioned by NASCAR next year?......

The New GM (Government Motors) Proudly Introduces......

The 2010 Obamamobile

List of features......

* This car runs on hot air and broken promises.

* It has three wheels that speed the vehicle effortlessly through tight left turns.

* It comes complete with two TelePrompters programmed to help the occupants talk their way out of any personal responsibility for their actions (or inactions).

* The transparent canopy of the display model pictured above reveals the plastic smiles still on the faces of all the happy Democrat owners.

* Driver's Education Instruction Manual included free of charge...... http://littledemocrats.net/

* Comes in Small, Medium and...... So sorry, Large has been discontinued. If Small or Medium doesn't work for you then take the Bus!

* It won't get you to work without breaking down, but what the heck...... If Obama is successful in transforming America into a Socialist 'utopia'...... There won't be any jobs anyway!

* All models equipped with GPS, 'black box' and embedded polygraph sensors to report your every move and thought to Big Brother and the Thought Police. If exceeding speed limit or your daily carbon credit allotment or thinking non-approved thoughts, the 2010 Obamamobile will empty your bank account electronically, confiscate all your personal property in the name of 'the state' and self-destruct in 10 seconds. Initiating self-destruct sequence in 10 seconds...... 9...... 8...... 7...... 6......

* Options..... None. Available only in 'Obama Blue'. You will drive it and like it, Comrade...... That's the Socialist way!

Be the first in your tenement building to get your new 2010 Obamamobile! Just sign on to the waiting list conveniently posted by the bread line at your assigned government run food bank and by 2013, you might just take delivery. What an historic motoring thrill!

Think about it y'all,

Harry

Larry Widmer · Post by **Larry Widmer** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:42 am

Well boys, the longer you wait, the more difficult it will be to change the direction we're headed, so you'd better do something (other than discussing it on an internet forum) fast.

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:50 am

We are doing so, Larry. We have put Congress and the current occupant of the Oval Office on notice, as well as our state and local elected representatives...... That those who disregard the will of the American people will soon be turned out of office and have to work for a living just like the rest of us...... No matter what political party they are affiliated with.

Sincerely,

Harry

Post by **CamKing** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:32 am

Larry Widmer wrote:Well boys, the longer you wait, the more difficult it will be to change the direction we're headed, so you'd better do something (other than discussing it on an internet forum) fast.

Larry, I think you watch too much science fiction.
I do some work for the US Dept. of Energy, and I can tell you, I.C. engines will be around a lot longer then you and I. Most of the development is still on I.C. engines. Making them more efficient. Making them run on alternate fuel sources. The stuff I've been working on for the last 5 years won't hit the market for another 20 years, and it's really not a big leap from where we are now. When my children are old and grey, they will still be driving cars with Internal Combustion engines. They'll be more efficient then today's engines, and they may not be running on petrol, but they'll still be the common powerplant for transportation.

williamsmotowerx · Post by **williamsmotowerx** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:57 pm

CamKing wrote:
Larry Widmer wrote:Well boys, the longer you wait, the more difficult it will be to change the direction we're headed, so you'd better do something (other than discussing it on an internet forum) fast.
Larry, I think you watch too much science fiction.
I do some work for the US Dept. of Energy, and I can tell you, I.C. engines will be around a lot longer then you and I. Most of the development is still on I.C. engines. Making them more efficient. Making them run on alternate fuel sources. The stuff I've been working on for the last 5 years won't hit the market for another 20 years, and it's really not a big leap from where we are now. When my children are old and grey, they will still be driving cars with Internal Combustion engines. They'll be more efficient then today's engines, and they may not be running on petrol, but they'll still be the common powerplant for transportation.

Larry and I are the only two in this thread that think we need to be pro-active?

Mike, you're just admitting to being pro-active in this quote. How? You're adapting by accepting a salary for this R&D.

The reason I understand how to be pro-active is in my field of off road motorcycles, 10 years ago there wasn't a four stroke in sight.. all two strokes. Then came the four strokes... I hated them... but knew I had to learn them or go out of business.

My business has doubled since then.. all because of an engine type that I hated and didn't want to be involved in but knew I had to.

Change has been the best thing for my business.

Post by **CamKing** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:41 pm

williamsmotowerx wrote: Larry and I are the only two in this thread that think we need to be pro-active?

When did I ever say I'm not pro-active?
I'm just saying that the I.C. engine isn't going away any time soon.
We have years of development ahead of us, and that's where we need to focus.

Direct injection, alternative fuels, supercharging, variable compression ratio systems, variable valve timing systems, variable port systems, these are areas to be pro-active in.

Throwing up your hands, and saying the I.C. Engine is done, we're all going to be driving electric cars, is anything but pro-active.

maxc · Post by **maxc** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:10 pm

First thing is inprove the ICE's ignition system. How is that little spark going too make 100% of the fuel burn before the piston reaches 15atdc? I might have too re-invent the spark plug? They can melt with my system!

David Redszus · Post by **David Redszus** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:58 pm

Direct injection, alternative fuels, supercharging, variable compression ratio systems, variable valve timing systems, variable port systems, these are areas to be pro-active in.

Although the ICE has been intensively developed for over 100 years, it is still not fully mature. I agree with the development topics listed by Mike and think there are many more to come.

The idea that ICE engines are obsolete and soon to be discarded is totally misguided and false. We still use wheels and rubber tires not magnetic levitation and hovercraft. An over-reaction based on poor science and mere political opinion does not constitute being pro-active. It is merely being knee-jerk reactive which is the worst kind.

First thing is inprove the ICE's ignition system. How is that little spark going too make 100% of the fuel burn before the piston reaches 15atdc? I might have too re-invent the spark plug? They can melt with my system!

That little spark is not intended to make 100% of the fuel burn; its job is merely to begin the combustion process. That's all.

Combustion chamber shape design, surface materials, improved fuels (not necessarily alternative fuels as now advocated), forced induction, reduced engine weight, advanced engine controls, are just some examples that will extend the life of the ICE engine into the far, far, and unforseen future.

Engguy · Post by **Engguy** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:49 pm

enigma57 wrote: We are doing so, Larry. We have put Congress and the current occupant of the Oval Office on notice, as well as our state and local elected representatives...... That those who disregard the will of the American people will soon be turned out of office and have to work for a living just like the rest of us...... No matter what political party they are affiliated with.

Sincerely,

Harry

Yeah when we all think a vote means something. Problem is they have that all fixed. Like computerized votes only, and mail in only. Where is the accountability of votes? And besides they will still brain wash to get the proper votes for the ones they want in. The same crap has been on going since I was a kid and has not changed one bit. What is needed is a system where you get what you vote for. That way if someone like all the democrats want high taxes they will get them. This system would work great, since the democrats love high taxes they could pay say 80% or more and be totally happy. While us ones that don't want any of thier crap would be free from it. This would then allow us to have our constitutional right to liberty. Liberty means free from servitude and oppression.

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:05 pm

I agree, Engguy. Liberty does indeed mean freedom from involuntary servitude and oppression. But it is something we must fight for. It is not free. It was earned with the blood and the fortunes of many and we owe it to those who fought to make us a nation of free men and those who will follow us as well...... To do the same for succeeding generations. It is one of our responsibilities as citizens.

Yes...... In tightly contested political races where several percentage points will decide the winner, the DNC and their surrogates such as ACORN have a long history of engaging in voter fraud. Its not just the dead folks who continue to vote a straight Democrat ticket long after their demise, those who make the rounds in nursing homes with absentee and mail-in ballots, those who attempt to invalidate the votes of our servicemen and women serving overseas, nor those voting who are ineligible such as convicted felons and illegal aliens...... Its also the rigged Hugo Chavez-sourced electronic voting machines as well. Chavez has controlling interest in Bizta, Bizta is a shell company and 2 of the 4 principles (3 now that Alfredo Anzola was killed in a plane crash earlier this year) in Bizta run Smartmatic, which purchased Sequoia Voting Systems here Stateside. Smartmatic / Sequoia supplies electronic voting machines to 17 states and to D.C., which equates to 34% of electoral votes in America.

And yes...... Its no secret that the the liberal-biased media accord favourable treatment to left-leaning political candidates, actively promote and disseminate leftist propaganda and shamelessly engage in vehement demagoguery against political opponents of the left. Last I heard, their efforts on behalf of leftist politicians and causes were worth something on the order of 12% to 15% in votes to the Democrat party at election time. You must remember that there are still those who believe the lies, distortions and misinformation spoon fed them by the majority of the media in this country. And you must remember as well that their attempts to marginalize and dishearten potential voters not aligned with the left are done for a reason...... To suppress the opposition vote and keep voter turnout low.

Forewarned is forearmed. We know full well that a political candidate not backed by the left must work harder than his or her opponent in order to overcome the aforementioned voter fraud and media bias and be elected to high public office. And this is all the more reason to vote on election day...... For its only by Americans such as you and I voting en masse that we can overcome by sheer numbers those who would suppress our vote and steal elections.

Best regards,

Harry