So what do you think?

Engguy · Post by **Engguy** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 am

http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/4327

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 am

My wife and I were discussing this very subject earlier this evening (not from the same link, but from other information sources). We are aware of similar violations of citizen's constitutional rights, including unwarranted forced entries into private residences, arrests, forced evacuations and illegal confiscation of self protection weaponry by officials in Louisiana during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina not so long ago.

Considering such past abuses of power by others...... This comes as no surprise for anyone who has stayed abreast of the Soetoro (AKA 'Obama') administration's agenda from the get go. Huge wakeup call in store soon for those who rely on the left-biased media propagandists for their 'news', however.

Best regards,

Harry

1989TransAm · Post by **1989TransAm** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:52 pm

" Huge wakeup call in store soon for those who rely on the left-biased media propagandists for their 'news', however. "

You have that correct. They are now in the business of creating news instead of reporting the news. They select what they want you to know.

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:16 pm

...... And think...... For those who unquestioningly accept the official 'party line' as fact...... Rather than independently researching important issues on their own...... And then drawing their own conclusions.

We switched off the highly partisan left-biased media propaganda outlets long ago, TransAm. My wife may occasionally watch a Lou Dobbs investigative report or a few of the FOX programs...... But even FOX 'news' ticks me off from time to time, so I search out other (more credible) news sources.

Granted...... Sourcing unbiased, raw news fresh off the wire before it is edited to provide the media 'spin' will be much harder if the current occupant of the Oval Office and his cronies are successful in their plans to silence dissenting voices on the internet and on talk radio...... But the American people will find ways of getting around that if 'Obama' and crew manage to usurp our constitutional rights to free speech, peaceful assembly, freedom from illegal search and seizure, freedom to own and bear arms, etc., etc.

Their arrogance only serves to strengthen our resolve to resist their attempts to fundamentally change for the worse...... The land so many of us love and fought for...... And the Constitution we swore an oath to support and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Looking forward to 2010 and 2012,

Harry

1989TransAm · Post by **1989TransAm** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:29 pm

"Their arrogance only serves to strengthen our resolve"

They are a bunch of arrogant SOB's IMHO. Now he wants to speak to the school children. If my kids were of school age they would be absent that day.

Rick1999 · Post by **Rick1999** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:32 pm

All one has to remeber is Elian Gonzales being taken away with an M-16 pointed at his head (in his own best interest) or the Branch Divediens in Waco, Texas where Janet Reno burned dozens of people to their death for their own good to see where we are heading

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:36 am

Yes, we remember Elián González, Rick...... He was the 5 year old boy who survived the attempt his mother made to escape Cuba and bring her son to freedom here in America (she died at sea). After 5 months living with relatives in Miami as they sought through the courts for Elián to be granted political asylum so he could remain in America...... Janet Reno had their home raided at 5 AM on the Saturday preceding Easter Sunday whilst her agents spoke with his aunt on the phone to distract them. He was taken by force at gunpoint and given to his father, who had been brought to Andrews AFB...... And then returned to Cuba, where he has since been subjected to communist indoctrination during his formative years. Now he may never know what it is like to be free. To ensure that, Cuban Secret Police have set up a post next door to his father's home.

I just read over the sanitized version of the incident in Wikipedia and it made me mad as hell because I remember what really happened, so I won't post that propaganda here......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgaacrxsS4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loCKJtxw ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maW2H0qE ... re=related

And yes, we remember what happened at Waco (I won't post videos, too gruesome) where 80 people were gassed and then burned to death, 24 of them young children.

And we remember as well what happened to Randy Weaver and his family up on Ruby Ridge. Whilst I do not share his politics and some of his beliefs...... The ambush on Reno's orders which resulted in his death remind me that many of his concerns and his wish to live in a remote area away from government intrusion...... Were indeed warranted.

Best regards,

Harry

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:04 am

1989TransAm wrote:"Their arrogance only serves to strengthen our resolve"

They are a bunch of arrogant SOB's IMHO. Now he wants to speak to the school children. If my kids were of school age they would be absent that day.

Quite right, TransAm! We have already discussed this with our extended family to get their thoughts on it...... As well as the required 'assignments' to be completed by school children after viewing the 'Obama' address......

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Def ... ?id=662126

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26744.html

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13264495

My grandson (a seniour in high school this year) said he will view it and complete any required assignments if he must do so in order to graduate...... But if it is voluntary, he will opt out. He has a good head on his shoulders and he is very much aware that following high school...... In addition to learning the truth...... He must tell his liberal college professors what they want to hear for 4 years in order to get his degree. A sad state of affairs to be sure, but he has managed to get through 11 years of public schooling thus far without being indoctrinated into the leftist mindset, so we are sure he will be OK.

My younger grandaughters in grade school are another matter, though. Kids their age are highly impressionable and my youngest son and his wife have informed school officials that their daughters will not attend class that day unless they are excused from viewing the 'Obama' address and from participating in assignments related to it afterwards. If necessary, they are ready to pull my grandaughters out of school and home school them.

So no worries...... My sons and their wives are on top of this and will take whatever steps they must in order to keep their kids from being exposed to leftist indoctrination in school.

Best regards,

Harry

Speedbump · Post by **Speedbump** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:36 pm

The timing is pretty poor, but I think the intentions are respectable. Most stedents won't see it anyway because most schools are required to have an alternative location/assignment for students/parents who don't want to participate in an activity that has the potential for religeous/political controversy. In todays education budget, the time constraint and the huge workload on teachers to provide such, most will just opt out.
But I do wonder if all you complainers did the same when HW and Reagan did the same thing? But then they were wealthy, white conservatives.

1989TransAm · Post by **1989TransAm** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:01 pm

"But then they were wealthy, white conservatives."

Bigotry on display at its finest.

enigma57 · Post by **enigma57** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:55 pm

No complainer here, Speedbump. Just a concerned grandparent discussing with extended family, the options available to us. Our family are quite aware of the leftist influence and spin our kids and grandkids in public schools and university are confronted with daily. And as people who love our country and hold dear our traditional American values...... This is a real concern for us.

As to opting out, most school systems will not...... Whether for the practical reasons you stated...... Or for ideological reasons.

Regarding your mention of prior presidents who addressed children in classroom settings...... I will ignore your attempt at playing the 'race card' here. Ethnicity has nothing to do with this...... Nor should it. In my book, anyone who voted for...... Or against...... The current occupant of the Oval Office based upon his ethnicity...... Is racist. And forget the 'class envy' thing as well. No traction there. Mr. Soetoro (AKA 'Obama') has already amassed more material wealth by hook or crook than either former president you mentioned. So don't bother going there.

This has to do solely with whether or not our family want our impressionable young family members exposed to indoctrination by a radical leftist narcissist with a bully pulpit and an agenda to push. And the answer is simply 'No, we don't!'

Best regards,

Harry

P.S. >>>> FWIW...... My wife and I have met the Bush family on several occasions over the years at book signings and other functions. Fine folks. The Bushes are moderate centrists with some conservative leanings (which is why there are issues where we are in respectful disagreement politically). And President Reagan was a true conservative on most issues (I agreed with about 90% of what he did as president). As such, neither would use their position in government to indoctrinate impressionable young minds in their particular ideology. Conservatives and moderates don't engage in that. It is the purvey of the left.

Speedbump · Post by **Speedbump** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:27 pm

I don't get it. Neither of them were rich? Only one was a conservative? BUT they both did give nationally televised speaches to students, Reagan's broadcast 3 times. Nobody really cared..except a few demo's who felt compelled to shoot of thier mouths. Now a president you guys don't like is doing the same thing, admittedly, the lesson plan thing was a little dumb, but harmless and you're all foaming at the mouth about it. The guy is trying to tell all students, but particularly his own ehtnicity, that you need to stay in school and that you can be a success. He offers himself as an example. A little narcissitc maybe, but his success from modest beginnings is something that can be aspired to. Good teachers try to do the same thing every day.
You can respectfully disagree with Bush 1 but you can't even call the current president by his correct name. Instead you use something straight from the double digit IQ blogs. Call it what you may, but your actions are louder than your words. And TA, I'm still waiting for the Odinga(?) and birther things to come to fruition. You presidential conspiracy folks are making the 9-11 conspiracy people look more normal.

1989TransAm · Post by **1989TransAm** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:27 pm

"And TA, I'm still waiting for the Odinga(?) and birther things to come to fruition. You presidential conspiracy folks are making the 9-11 conspiracy people look more normal."

I have already said Jerome Corsi is a nutcase. As to the birther thing all Obama has to do is show his birth certificate. No more no less. Just a little requirement by the Constitution.

The Democrats took John McCain to court because he was born in Panama. The court ruled in favor of John McCain.

Post by **CamKing** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:16 pm

The Dems ripped H.W. Bush apart when he addressed the school children. They called it a gross waste of american's tax dollars.

On face value, it should be no big deal, but when you read Obama's history, and what he and his friends stand for, you have to worry.

sweptvolume · Post by **sweptvolume** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:33 pm

If Obama's mother was an American, doesn't that make him a true American citizen, no matter where he was born?
Don't get me wrong, the current administration terrifies me and I (along with many of you I think) would certainly prefer less government and a slightly more conservative and non socialist outlook from our leaders, but things like where BO was born don't concern me as much as the other parts of the "Living Document" that are about to change.