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Ah, the great myth.robert1 wrote:America has also kept your ass where you can type away on your computer. Otherwise you would have been speaking German along time ago!
John Wayne won World War Two all by himself.
He was in the army, the navy and the air force.
Quite a versatile guy.
It must be true I saw it at the movies.
If you believe Nazi Germany was ever in any position to invade and occupy Australia, you are out of your freakin mind.
Cheers, Tony.
Perhaps not Germany, Tony...... But I can assure you that Imperial Japan was a very real and present danger to Australia during the last World War. Had it not been for your Anzacs and Allied forces (including our own) operating in the Pacific theatre of operations...... You might very well be speaking fluent Japanese today. So never discount the value of alliances with those nations such as ourselves who will stand up to tyranny when necessary.
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Harry
Best regards,
Harry
Without the lend-lease act Britain would most probably not have made it. Especially if Hitler had kept on going right after Dunkirk, and/or Pearl Harbour had not happened. With the US not showing up... then the U-boats could just have starved the UK of everything.
Had he won, the US would have been next on the western front... he had plans for a huge 6-engined ultra-longrange strategic bomber to bomb the US mainland in the works.
Had he won, the US would have been next on the western front... he had plans for a huge 6-engined ultra-longrange strategic bomber to bomb the US mainland in the works.
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"I mean actually expending live ammunition in Iraq ?"
You the one with the wild accusations that have not been backed up. You stated that the US was solely responsible for around 1.4 million Iraqi death.
You stated that only the US and Britain were in Iraq. So we come up with proof and and as usual the subject changes or the goal post has been moved. No proof from you side just opinion.
By the way if it was not for the United States providing the bulk of the protection for Canada you would not be able to afford your health-care system. In fact the way things sound you might not be able to afford it anyways.
You the one with the wild accusations that have not been backed up. You stated that the US was solely responsible for around 1.4 million Iraqi death.
You stated that only the US and Britain were in Iraq. So we come up with proof and and as usual the subject changes or the goal post has been moved. No proof from you side just opinion.
By the way if it was not for the United States providing the bulk of the protection for Canada you would not be able to afford your health-care system. In fact the way things sound you might not be able to afford it anyways.
No, what I said was that only the US and Britain have been conducting combat missions in Iraq during Gulf War Two..1989TransAm wrote:"
You stated that only the US and Britain were in Iraq. So we come up with proof
Canada and Australia, (and many other nations, twenty eight according to one poster here) have extensive military in Iraq, but they are NOT AT WAR AGAINST ANYONE.
I think it was Harry that asked me the trick question, is Canada in Iraq ?
And my answer was, Canada fought in Gulf War One as part of the UN multinational force, but has not conducted a single combat mission in Gulf War Two.
I never said there were no Canadian military in Iraq, because there most certainly are.
I choose my words very carefully.
Harry then provided an excellent link to "prove" that Canada has military in Iraq. I am not disputing that. They were, and are still there today. doing a really great job too..
What I am disputing is that they are fighting beside the US as allies carrying out full on combat missions against insurgents or anyone else.
What I would like you to do, is look for some evidence that Canada is actually fighting beside the US in joint military operations, conducting active combat missions, firing weapons against insurgents, and taking battle casualties from being fired upon in return.
There are no joint military operations, and no Canadian combat.
Simple.
You see that is the difference.
Just because a nation uses it's military to send some humanitarian aid, or disaster relief into another county, as welcome guests of that foreign government, does not mean they are going around shooting people..
This is extremely important to understand.
I want to make this VERY CLEAR..
No other nation is supporting the US in Iraq militarily, now that Britain has pulled out completely..
I am sure you still do not believe any of this this, but TRY and find evidence of joint US military operations with any other nation.
Try to find evidence of other nations taking battle casualties in Iraq fighting beside Americans. You will find nothing.
I am trying to make two simple points very clear to you.
1/ The US invasion of Iraq was completely illegal according to recognised international law, and not sanctioned by the United Nations in any way.
2/ No other nation (now) supports this illegal US military invasion and occupation in Iraq.
No other nation is fighting beside America in this mess, The US is conducting this illegal war without military support from any other nation.
The coalition of the willing that George W Bush often talked about continuously, only ever existed in his own head.
Present the evidence to prove me dead wrong in these simple claims.
If you cannot prove these simple facts wrong,
I will then then go much further into this, and shock you even more with.other related issues and truths about this "Gulf War Two" you may not yet be fully aware of..
These further facts will become self evident, and go a long way to explain why "THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH" after six long bloody years of warfare, has completely failed to take over and control by force, a miserable broken down little sand pit like Iraq, and why the US will never be able to do so.
The US media and government have not been telling you the truth about these issues.
IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT.
But search the internet yourselves to discover the truth.
Any links I give will be instantly discredited. So find your own !
Cheers, Tony.
No government is perfect.Ron E wrote:While your government and sources offer only totally unbiased, pure-as-the-driven-snow absolute truths. Right?Warpspeed wrote:[IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT.
But search the internet yourselves to discover the truth.!
Maybe, it can also be said that "it's not your fault" as well.
All I am trying to do here is help you guys discover the truth.
I am sure many Americans think the US is Boss Dog leading a score of other nations in glorious combat in Iraq.
A great and noble war upon terror.
It is just that nobody in America can actually tell me what this war in Iraq is all about.
I don't know either,
But I can tell you one thing for sure, it will be lost.
And for the EXACT SAME REASON the war in Vietnam was lost.
Only this time your adversary is vastly larger more wealthy, and far more powerful than just a few Communists.
And your adversary in this war is not some simple cross eyed camel jockey or rag head either..
If Americans actually took the time to try to understand what is actually going on in Iraq and the rest of the world, and what lays behind it all, it might save a lot of lives.
But no, always the knee jerk reaction.
Cheers, Tony.
Actually no. Are you familiar with our media? We are one of their least favorite countries. They gleefully reported hugely inflated civilian deaths among other things. Fact checking negative information during Bush's time wasn't required.
You're no doubt aware of the UN resolutions and the fact that Bush did go to congress prior to Iraq, unlike Carter's many half-assed excursions. You're also of the WMD intel from quite a few other countries as well.
I've argued it and frankly I'm done. I'm aware of the 2 or 3 next levels of counterpoints that fly back and forth w/o ever changing a mind.
The only point being, if you think our media rallied around our flag, you're mistaken. Hovever things are different now. Bad news on the war is hardly mentioned, where it was once screaming headlines.
You're no doubt aware of the UN resolutions and the fact that Bush did go to congress prior to Iraq, unlike Carter's many half-assed excursions. You're also of the WMD intel from quite a few other countries as well.
I've argued it and frankly I'm done. I'm aware of the 2 or 3 next levels of counterpoints that fly back and forth w/o ever changing a mind.
The only point being, if you think our media rallied around our flag, you're mistaken. Hovever things are different now. Bad news on the war is hardly mentioned, where it was once screaming headlines.
I told you what it was about, Tony. Go back and read my priour posts. When you have done so and are ready for a substantive discussion of this topic...... We will continue.Warpspeed wrote:...... It is just that nobody in America can actually tell me what this war in Iraq is all about......
However, if your purpose here is to ignore the facts and simply continue to make inflammatory pronouncements having little, if any, basis in fact...... Our discourse here (yours and mine) is concluded.
With respect,
Harry
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One observation concerning nations with noncombat troops in Iraq. Without the "Illegal" US invasion very few nations would be welcome to deliver humanitarian aid.
There is of course the argument that without the invasion there would be no need for aid, but of course no one aided the Kurds while they were being gassed.
Saddam Hussein was a despot and, as mentioned, several intelligence agencies around the world believed he was building an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. There is also no doubt that he aided terrosists, I seem to remember it being fairly well documented that he was funding suicide bombers in Isreal, not a far stretch to say he was funding other organizations.
The United States does not require international approval to defend herself!
There is of course the argument that without the invasion there would be no need for aid, but of course no one aided the Kurds while they were being gassed.
Saddam Hussein was a despot and, as mentioned, several intelligence agencies around the world believed he was building an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. There is also no doubt that he aided terrosists, I seem to remember it being fairly well documented that he was funding suicide bombers in Isreal, not a far stretch to say he was funding other organizations.
The United States does not require international approval to defend herself!
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Thank you Harry,enigma57 wrote:
However, if your purpose here is to ignore the facts and simply continue to make inflammatory pronouncements having little, if any, basis in fact...... Our discourse here (yours and mine) is concluded.
With respect,
Harry
I get so friggin flustered I need to chill for a while.
Australia must be the best place to live with the Tracks going down hill to make the #'s.
GURU is only a name.
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"several intelligence agencies around the world believed he was building an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction."
He sure was trying to. Anyways we did find over 500 chemical warheads and of course the 500 tons of yellowcake. We don't know what went to Syria. It was interesting about the Israeli raid into Syria last year destroying that complex with nothing much said from either side. That in itself says alot.
He sure was trying to. Anyways we did find over 500 chemical warheads and of course the 500 tons of yellowcake. We don't know what went to Syria. It was interesting about the Israeli raid into Syria last year destroying that complex with nothing much said from either side. That in itself says alot.