A/F/X forged spindles

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A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:53 am

Does anybody make and sell a stock A/F/X forged spindle that is 1.5" taller and NOT dropped 2"s?

1st Gen Camaro type here.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by Kenova » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:37 pm

You can accomplish the same thing with your stock spindles by doing the Guldstrand Mod. (google it). It will improve your camber curve and increase your caster at the same time. I did the mod on my Nova and it made a notable improvement with no down side.
If you want a more aggressive camber curve you can add longer upper ball joints. Howe racing is a good source. Just don't get carried away and use a joint stud that is too long.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:10 pm

Ken,

What is too high/long an upper ball joint stud length?

My 1st Gen. Camaro car here.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:31 am

I am being told that a 1" taller upper ball joint works well.

As for forged spindles, I have four of them and if I could find an expert welder, heat-treat, and QC check, (X-Ray/Mag., etc.), shop, I would have the four sectioned to about 1.5" taller and use them. IF 1.5" taller works better than the 1" taller ball joint?

Ain't gonna happen though as I see it?

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:29 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^

Nobody knows??

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:04 pm

Who makes the 2" dropped forged spindles for the ones selling them?

And is the wheel, "spud", pressed or screwed in or is the spindle 100 percent a solid forging?

I ask because the stock, 2nd Gen. cast spindle, "spuds", are either threaded or pressed and welded in place and are not 1-piece forgings like the 1st Gen. spindles.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by Kenova » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:13 pm

Sixth item down.
http://www.ridetech.com/applications/musclecars/camaro/

If you snoop around on their site you can find a lot of info.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:04 pm

Kenova,

I never got past this --

http://www.ridetech.com/products/compon ... dles-pair/

and it say's they are 2" dropped as well as 1-3/4" taller!

I don't want dropped!

Anybody make AND sell 1-3/4" taller and NOT 2" dropped forged A/F/X spindles? Stock height wheel spud spindles here!

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by tjz450 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:19 pm

I believe no one makes what you are asking for. I have looked into these in the past. I have only found various types of extenders to increase spindle heights. I was mainly wanting to increase caster beyond what I could get by shimming the stock a-arms. Are you wanting more travel during launch.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:06 am

I have Pro-Motorsports bolt-on, "Spindle Extenders", on my car now, but would rather have taller stock type un-dropped forged spindles instead.

The extenders are 1-15/16" tall. I'm thinking more along the lines of only 1-1/2" tall instead. BUT nobody seems to really know??

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by j-c-c » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:16 pm

pdq67 wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:31 am


As for forged spindles, I have four of them and if I could find an expert welder, heat-treat, and QC check, (X-Ray/Mag., etc.), shop, I would have the four sectioned to about 1.5" taller and use them.

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I am not suggesting this it is not possible, but any welding on a non redundant critical forged suspension piece I would think most knowledgeable welders would resist attempting, other then maybe an emergency 1 time repair.

Surprised no one else has raised an eyebrow.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:30 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"As for forged spindles, I have four of them and if I could find an expert welder, heat-treat, and QC check, (X-Ray/Mag., etc.), shop, I would have the four sectioned to about 1.5" taller and use them."....

This is why I posted this!

And back when I was a kid, I had my old Blacksmith Buddy weld a dropped drag link for my '52 Willy's Aero Eagle 2-Dr HT after I put my 232" Stude V-8 in it! Front sump oil pan deal here was all.

He hade no qualms at all welding it for me and he was just a Country Welder PRO!! He made his living welding and blacksmithing so knew how to weld!

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by RCJ » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:22 am

The spindles on every dirt late model in the county are welded.I would look in to longer ball joints like Howe and I have used the relocated upper a arm mount.The 2 combined might work.Anytime you are changing front geometry you should look in to getting a Performance Trends style program to see what is really happening.You could help your camber curve but move your roll center to an area requiring a spring change to get balanced handling.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by pdq67 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:00 am

RCJ,

I've done the spring change.

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Re: A/F/X forged spindles

Post by j-c-c » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:57 am

RCJ wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:22 am
The spindles on every dirt late model in the county are welded.
Agreed, but they are purpose built, designed to be welded from the start, they are not existing forgings that are being welded/cut/modified and all the potential welding induced stress risers added, and as you have noted, the late model stuff has been track tested and likely improved thru the test of time. The OP has shared few of those advantages here so far. I never said it was not possible, but it does have risks and implied the task should not be taken lightly.

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