Victor E vs Super Victor

Gary 540 · Post by **Gary 540** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:39 pm

Hi All.
I would like to know peoples preference over a SB Chevy Victor E intake manifold vs. a Super Victor ?
Let’s say a Street n Strip 406 Chevy 12+ comp, 260 odd duration solid cam,
Approx 210 - 220cc Heads, say 2.05" valve.
This is just an example engine, I always use Super Victors, & I have a friend who also builds good HP SBs and swears I’m losing HP by not using the Victor E ?
Let’s put a spacer on the victor E to make carb height identical.
Anyone back to backed em ?

Gary.

Post by **maxracesoftware** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:50 am

Anyone back to backed em ?

sort of , but with a larger Roller Cam. better Heads,
and not out-the-box , but with each ported,
the Super Victor in highly modified form was more TQ/HP
+20 HP at higher RPM

the Victor E has shorter Inner/Outter runner lengths
than the Super Victor

if you are comparing them out-of-the-box shape,
its going to be close, the Super Victor may pickup the bottom end Curve
and run out mid to top end RPMs compared to Victor E,
it all depends on your combination.

The Super Victor with its longer runners and better overall shape will make more HP everywhere if its highly modified,
have made as much as 27+ HP gains with plenum work,
the 4 Inner Runners are starving for air at high RPMS because they are extended too far in the Plenum at the Roof.

Pic of extended-welded runner Victor E
http://www.maxracesoftware.com/Extended ... Plenum.jpg

the extended Victor E is still shorter runner lengths than the Super Victor

Victor E = Short= 5.000" Long= 5.375" avg Plenum depth= 3.900"
Super Victor = Short= 5.500" Long= 6.000" avg Plenum depth= 3.750"

the problem with out-of-box SuperVictor 's runners extending way too far into plenum at the Roof entry can be corrected for great flowing and high RPM Heads/Engine Combos
Pic of modified SuperVictor
http://www.maxracesoftware.com/Super_Vi ... lenum2.jpg

http://www.maxracesoftware.com/Super_Vi ... _640_1.jpg

just compare those SuperVictor pics to out-of-box plenum
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/aut ... s/2925.jpg

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/aut ... s/2825.jpg

http://popularhotrodding.com/enginemast ... man19z.jpg

http://www.dealsonwheels.com/partsandac ... id=1764775

http://carcraft.com/techarticles/116_03 ... p_06_z.jpg

the Victor E is a very good Intake for SuperStock 305,327,350 Class Engines that has very flat floor and can be ported/modified for a more Line-of-sight orientation to SS Cyl Heads like #041x, 462,461, etc.
works great with QJet w/adapter

Gary 540 · Post by **Gary 540** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:37 am

Thankyou Larry, you are a Gem.
Sounds like I'm not giving too much away using a super victor after all.
I really appreciate info on improving super victor too.

Gary.

Post by **maxracesoftware** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:21 am

Thankyou Larry, you are a Gem.
Sounds like I'm not giving too much away using a super victor after all.
I really appreciate info on improving super victor too. ---Gary.

Gary , here are 2 more Pics of Edelbrock Super Victor #2925
modified Plenum area with Moroso #65000 2" Dominator adapter

http://www.maxracesoftware.com/Super_Vi ... 00x600.jpg

http://www.maxracesoftware.com/Super_Vi ... 40x480.jpg

Jason G · Post by **Jason G** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:54 am

Larry,

Doesn't the extended runner tend to hurt or reduce flow to the center intake runners? Have you ever trimmed back the runner on a Super Victor and noted flow/HP? What did you see when you extended the runners?

See the HV1002 below:

http://www.highvelocityheads.com/manifo ... lblock.htm

The runners appear curved and biased toward the center runners (blocking flow). The divider is also extended too far up toward the carb.

SStrokerAce · Post by **SStrokerAce** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:30 pm

Larry thanks for those pictures....

The second set of pictures with the Moroso Dominator spacer looks a lot like the interior of this.....

http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/news/12_30_04.jpg

I have pics of that on my computer but can't host them.

What differences would you make to that area of the runners if you were running a elbow and EFI?

Bret

Post by **maxracesoftware** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:06 am

I have pics of that on my computer but can't host them.

What differences would you make to that area of the runners if you were running a elbow and EFI?

Bret

cool looking Composite(?)Color of Wilson's Intake Manifold

i wouldn't make any changes....those manifold porting modifications
make the Intake Manifold flow more bolted on Heads with or without a Carb attached.

Post by **maxracesoftware** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:18 am

Larry,
Doesn't the extended runner tend to hurt or reduce flow to the center intake runners? Have you ever trimmed back the runner on a Super Victor and noted flow/HP? What did you see when you extended the runners? ---- Jason G

Have you ever trimmed back the runner on a Super Victor and noted flow/HP?

Jason, you might have missed my Post a few above yours ???
there are a few Pics of trimming back the "runner dividers" at the Roofs
especially to help out the 4 inner Cylinders at mid to high RPMs .

What did you see when you extended the runners?

extending the runners on the shorter length Victor E Intake helps the entire Torque Curve on a SuperStock engine from 5000 to 8500 RPM

i would never extend the runners of the #2925 Super Victor anymore than they are out the box, they need to be shorter at the roof similiar to some of the HV Intakes in your Link, and the Wilson pics.

SStrokerAce · Post by **SStrokerAce** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:30 pm

maxracesoftware wrote:
I have pics of that on my computer but can't host them.

What differences would you make to that area of the runners if you were running a elbow and EFI?

Bret
cool looking Composite(?)Color of Wilson's Intake Manifold

i wouldn't make any changes....those manifold porting modifications
make the Intake Manifold flow more bolted on Heads with or without a Carb attached.

Yeah that puppy is composite.... I think I sent you a pic of the pleanum a while back, ends up looking a lot like your ported Super Vic out of the box.

They cut the top of the divider wall even farther back and it's narrow at the top.

Thanks on the EFI deal... I've almost got that EFI Super Vic ready to ship down to you.

BTW the Super Vic in this pic http://carcraft.com/techarticles/116_03 ... p_06_z.jpg

Is a Wilson CNC version.....

I talked to Keith a few years ago and he said they only take a little bit off the top of the runners at the divider wall and round the divider walls off. Obviously the Wilson/FAST composite thing is more like you are showing us. The changes that happen in 2-3 years......

Bret