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[Warp Speed]

Why do we need to change the subject?
It is the basis, and limitation, of the NA engine.
I agree, the NA engine is built around, and limited to, the almighty valve spring. It's been know for ever. But your never going to take full advantage of the available spring technology, or even the spring technology a person has, with out a stiff, non compliant valvetrain. And if you are, you need to change what your asking of it. Otherwise, your just pissing up a rope!
Catering the valvetrain to the spring is the epitome of the tail wagging the dog! Lol
To move forward, we need to except the facts!
Then we can make any and every combination better, no matter the level.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VALVETRAIN TOO GOOD FOR A SPRING! Just too much cam (read acceleration) for a given spring. A sub par valvetrain just magnifies the problem in most cases. Some cases it will hide it, but it is there none the less.
The first step to recovery, is to admit there is a problem.

[Walter R. Malik]

Why do we need to change the subject?
It is the basis, and limitation, of the NA engine.
I agree, the NA engine is built around, and limited to, the almighty valve spring. It's been know for ever. But your never going to take full advantage of the available spring technology, or even the spring technology a person has, with out a stiff, non compliant valvetrain. And if you are, you need to change what your asking of it. Otherwise, your just pissing up a rope!
Catering the valvetrain to the spring is the epitome of the tail wagging the dog! Lol
To move forward, we need to except the facts!
Then we can make any and every combination better, no matter the level.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VALVETRAIN TOO GOOD FOR A SPRING! Just too much cam (read acceleration) for a given spring. A sub par valvetrain just magnifies the problem in most cases. Some cases it will hide it, but it is there none the less.
The first step to recovery, is to admit there is a problem.

A person I knew very well got cancer in 1983. It was terminal and they were given 6 months to a year to live. After trying for a few more months of life there was chimo and radiation. Lo and behold those band-aids caused the cancer to go into remission ... it was not cured as it was still very much present but, they lived another 35 years with that cancer still being there.
THAT "band-aide" was not so bad, just like some others are not so bad, when a cure is not forthcoming.

[Warp Speed]

Why do we need to change the subject?
It is the basis, and limitation, of the NA engine.
I agree, the NA engine is built around, and limited to, the almighty valve spring. It's been know for ever. But your never going to take full advantage of the available spring technology, or even the spring technology a person has, with out a stiff, non compliant valvetrain. And if you are, you need to change what your asking of it. Otherwise, your just pissing up a rope!
Catering the valvetrain to the spring is the epitome of the tail wagging the dog! Lol
To move forward, we need to except the facts!
Then we can make any and every combination better, no matter the level.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VALVETRAIN TOO GOOD FOR A SPRING! Just too much cam (read acceleration) for a given spring. A sub par valvetrain just magnifies the problem in most cases. Some cases it will hide it, but it is there none the less.
The first step to recovery, is to admit there is a problem.

A person I knew very well got cancer in 1983. It was terminal and they were given 6 months to a year to live. After trying for a few more months of life there was chimo and radiation. Lo and behold those band-aids caused the cancer to go into remission ... it was not cured as it was still very much present but, they lived another 35 years with that cancer still being there.
THAT "band-aide" was not so bad, just like some others are not so bad, when a cure is not forthcoming.

Great analogy, fits what we are talking about perfectly! Lol
You can't make this shit up!

[Warp Speed]

I thought this was a performance board, where people wanted to learn. and think with a forward direction. Evidently, I was sadly mistaken.............

[David Vizard]

I thought this was a performance board, where people wanted to learn. and think with a forward direction. Evidently, I was sadly mistaken.............

No you were not!

DV

[paulzig]

If the message is a bad one, or one the spring will not handle, fix the recipient or the message. Dont band aid it with an absorber in the system.

Then we go buying hydraulic cams and put another absorber in the system

[Walter R. Malik]

If the message is a bad one, or one the spring will not handle, fix the recipient or the message. Don't band aid it with an absorber in the system.

Then we go buying hydraulic cams and put another absorber in the system

[Walter R. Malik]

Why do we need to change the subject?
It is the basis, and limitation, of the NA engine.
I agree, the NA engine is built around, and limited to, the almighty valve spring. It's been know for ever. But your never going to take full advantage of the available spring technology, or even the spring technology a person has, with out a stiff, non compliant valvetrain. And if you are, you need to change what your asking of it. Otherwise, your just pissing up a rope!
Catering the valvetrain to the spring is the epitome of the tail wagging the dog! Lol
To move forward, we need to except the facts!
Then we can make any and every combination better, no matter the level.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VALVETRAIN TOO GOOD FOR A SPRING! Just too much cam (read acceleration) for a given spring. A sub par valvetrain just magnifies the problem in most cases. Some cases it will hide it, but it is there none the less.
The first step to recovery, is to admit there is a problem.

A person I knew very well got cancer in 1983. It was terminal and they were given 6 months to a year to live. After trying for a few more months of life there was chimo and radiation. Lo and behold those band-aids caused the cancer to go into remission ... it was not cured as it was still very much present but, they lived another 35 years with that cancer still being there.
THAT "band-aide" was not so bad, just like some others are not so bad, when a cure is not forthcoming.

Great analogy, fits what we are talking about perfectly! Lol
You can't make this shit up!

Just another case in a different field where the "problem" was not solved or fixed.
But, "band-aides" were used to alleviate the "symptom" and the outcome was ... well, real world.
Your words.

[Warp Speed]

A person I knew very well got cancer in 1983. It was terminal and they were given 6 months to a year to live. After trying for a few more months of life there was chimo and radiation. Lo and behold those band-aids caused the cancer to go into remission ... it was not cured as it was still very much present but, they lived another 35 years with that cancer still being there.
THAT "band-aide" was not so bad, just like some others are not so bad, when a cure is not forthcoming.

Great analogy, fits what we are talking about perfectly! Lol
You can't make this shit up!

Just another case in a different field where the "problem" was not solved or fixed.
But, "band-aides" were used to alleviate the "symptom" and the outcome was ... well, real world.
Your words.

And how did it end?
Maybe a cure should have been developed. There are many to the disease of the thread topic, but you choose to ignore.
Same ending?

[pastry_chef]

Like to see this tech on a Chev V8 - freevalve.com

[GARY C]

I thought this was a performance board, where people wanted to learn. and think with a forward direction. Evidently, I was sadly mistaken.............

People learn more from being taught then they do from being told their wrong!

[GARY C]

Great analogy, fits what we are talking about perfectly! Lol
You can't make this shit up!

Just another case in a different field where the "problem" was not solved or fixed.
But, "band-aides" were used to alleviate the "symptom" and the outcome was ... well, real world.
Your words.

And how did it end?
Maybe a cure should have been developed. There are many to the disease of the thread topic, but you choose to ignore.
Same ending?

Actually find out why it's happening and stop it before it starts... Plenty of data out there to do so, we seem to research all the good stuff for our cars and then shovel shit into our body's and then wonder why our health goes to hell in a hand basket.

[Stan Weiss]

Great analogy, fits what we are talking about perfectly! Lol
You can't make this shit up!

Just another case in a different field where the "problem" was not solved or fixed.
But, "band-aides" were used to alleviate the "symptom" and the outcome was ... well, real world.
Your words.

And how did it end?
Maybe a cure should have been developed. There are many to the disease of the thread topic, but you choose to ignore.
Same ending?

The same as it is going to end for all of us.

I did not get that that was the reason for his passing, unless I misunderstand what Walter wrote.

Stan

[GARY C]

Just another case in a different field where the "problem" was not solved or fixed.
But, "band-aides" were used to alleviate the "symptom" and the outcome was ... well, real world.
Your words.

And how did it end?
Maybe a cure should have been developed. There are many to the disease of the thread topic, but you choose to ignore.
Same ending?

The same as it is going to end for all of us.

I did not get that that was the reason for his passing, unless I misunderstand what Walter wrote.

Stan

I find it interesting that when someone dies everyone wants to know how so they can reason away the fact that it's not going to happen to them...

[Walter R. Malik]

Great analogy, fits what we are talking about perfectly! Lol
You can't make this shit up!

Just another case in a different field where the "problem" was not solved or fixed.
But, "band-aides" were used to alleviate the "symptom" and the outcome was ... well, real world.
Your words.

And how did it end?
Maybe a cure should have been developed. There are many to the disease of the thread topic, but you choose to ignore.
Same ending?

It ended 35 years later instead of 9 months; they lived to be 92 years old and died of something else. EVERYBODY dies.
(Making light of this surely is a hint to everyone what your character is all about).

When an engine expires years later because of a different reason, it is plain to see that the "band-aide" worked for what it was intended to do. The ending was not connected to any part of the "band-aide".

So much for your adamant point about "band-aids" not being a productive alternative; they can be and often are.

We'll simply have to agree that we totally disagree and leave it at that.