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Re Alfa Romeo JTS 3.2 camshaft change question

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Advice needed; what could go wrong if the electronic controls for this car are left unchanged and the cams are swapped out:


I have a friend who is considering swapping out the factory cams for aftermarket cams made by a reputable European company, Colombo Bariani. This is for a road car and the anticipated/hoped for gain is from ~260 hp to ~320 hp.
Friend wrote:The standard Alfa Camshafts have dwell angles of 254 degrees for the inlets and 250 degrees for the exhausts. Whereas, the C.B.'s have 278 degrees for both inlet and exhaust camshafts, with an Identical lift of 11.2 mm. wrt the standards. So the difference for the inlets is 24 degrees.
The JTS is a direct injection engine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_JTS_engine wrote: 3.2
The JTS direct injection system was first used in a V6 engine in 2005 with the introduction of the Alfa 159 and Brera. This is not related to the Alfa Romeo V6 engine, but is instead a derivation of the GM High Feature engine; built in Australia by GM Holden. While it retains the High Feature engine's 89 mm (3.5 in) bore, 85.6 mm (3.37 in) stroke and chain driven camshafts, it is modified by Alfa for their performance, fuel economy and sound characteristics. These modifications include: "TwinPhaser" variable valve timing (cam-phasing on both inlet and exhaust cams, thus the name), gasoline direct injection and a higher compression ratio of 11.25:1. It also operates with a lean burn system up to about 1500 rpm,[4] as on many other engines from the company and is capable of generating 191 kW (260 PS; 256 hp),[5] a number matching the larger LY7 3.6 L variant used by GM. Alfa Romeo stopped using the V6 JTS engine in 2010.

Displacement: 3,195 cc (195.0 cu in)
Power: 191 kW (260 PS; 256 hp) at 6200 rpm
Torque: 322 N⋅m (237 lb⋅ft) at 3800 rpm
https://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_direct_fuel_injection_systems.shtml wrote: Direct fuel injection systems on Alfa Romeo's
Over the last ten years the way fuel is introduced into petrol engines has changed considerably. We have moved from injecting fuel onto the back of the inlet valve, indirect injection, to injecting fuel directly into the combustion chamber. This is not the first time that it has been tried; direct injection was used on the German WW11 fighter the ME109, however there the similarity ends. The ME109 used a modified mechanical Diesel pump while the system we use is a computer controlled electronic system.

One of the major issues with injecting fuel directly into the combustion chamber is that in order to burn well the fuel needs to be completely atomised this means that the fuel has to be injected at extremely high pressures, up to 200 bar (3000 psi). Now I suspect you know this but petrol is extremely volatile and compressing it to such extremes needs to be done CAREFULLY! So with a direct injection system fuel is supplied from the tank at comparatively low pressure, around 5 bar (75 psi), roughly the same as an indirect fuel injection system and then the pressure is boosted up to full pressure by a pump on the end of the camshaft. A direct injection system can operate in two main modes, it can inject fuel on the intake stroke which is called homogeneous operation, this is effectively the same as an indirect injection system or it can inject fuel on the compression stroke which is called stratified charge operation. Fairly obviously this is impossible for an indirect injection system as the inlet valve is closed during the compression stroke.

In Homogeneous operation the air to fuel ratio is around 14.7/1 (the stoichiometric ratio)much the same as an indirect injection system, however there are slight differences. With an indirect fuel injection system the mixture has to “tumble” around the inlet valve, this promotes good mixture formation, this does not happen with a direct injection system. There is also less time available for the mixture formation process, with an indirect injection system the injectors could inject for two whole revolutions of the engine (720 degrees) if required and the mixture is “stored” in the inlet manifold until the inlet valve opens, whereas a direct injection engine has to wait for the exhaust valve to close before the injection process can start. The exhaust valve will typically stay open for around 25-30 degrees after top dead centre, this gives you around 160 degrees of crank rotation in which the fuel can be injected. However the lack of tumble and the short period time available to inject is compensated for by the extremely high pressures that the injection system uses which increases the turbulence in the combustion chamber.

Now the real ace that a direct injection engine has over an indirect injection engine is the fact that it can inject fuel on the combustion stroke, stratified charge operation. This allows the engine management system to lean the mixture right off, this can take the air/fuel ratio down to as little as 40/1. In normal situations this would result in a miss fire however this is avoided by injecting the mixture so it forms a “cloud” next to the spark plug while the air in the rest of combustion chamber remains relatively free of fuel. I am sure you can see that by localising the combustion process and not using all the air in the combustion chamber the amount of fuel used is reduced. he fuel in the combustion chamber on an indirect injection engine cannot be localised as the tumble of the air over the inlet valve tends to distribute the fuel through the combustion chamber evenly and once you start to lean the mixture off more than around 16/1 there is the real possibility of pre ignition or pinking which can damage the engine seriously.

There are a number of issues with direct injection engines, because the engine runs so lean the exhaust gas contains excessive levels of nitrous oxide which causes smog and acid rain and this has to be dealt with by a special catalytic converter. The inlet manifold on an indirect injection engine is cleaned by the fuel in the manifold, this does not happen on a direct injection so there is the possibility that carbon will build up on the back of the inlet valve, this can restrict the airflow into the engine and cause a lack of power. The injector is also specially developed for a direct injection system. Firstly the injector has to be able to withstand the extreme temperatures of the combustion chamber, it also has to withstand extreme pressures both from the combustion process and internally from the fuel inside, it can't leak and the spray pattern must be maintained throughout the life of the injector. I am sure you will agree that is quite some ask for any piece of machinery so in order to achieve this manufacturers use piezoelectric fuel injectors…………….

What is a piezoelectric fuel injectorand for that matter what does piezoelectric mean? Piezoelectric effects have been known for quite some time, in fact their discovery pre dates the automotive internal combustion engine, they were discovered by the Curie brothers in 1880 and what the brothers discovered was that crystals of tourmaline deformed proportionally to the voltage applied to them. This microscopic deformation can be used to actuate the injector nozzle but in order to get sufficient movement the piezoelectric ceramic actuator in a fuel injector consists of over 400 layers, and that only opens the injector a mere 33 micron’s, 33 millionths of a meter or ⅓ the width of a human hair!

Because it is extremely difficult to make the piezoelectric ceramic actuators accurately enough to deliver the fuel as precisely as needed essentially the manufacturers don’t bother, instead each injector is tested and given a code, this code is then programmed into the cars engine management unit so that it can determine how long to hold the injector open for. In order to help prevent the accumulation of carbon deposits on the injector it opens outwards into the combustion chamber so every time the injector operates the fuel discharged cleans the tip of the nozzle. Injectors are controlled by a special output stage of the engine control unit, this stage has a DC/DC converter (a type of transformer) which can take the voltage from 12v dc up to around 200v dc if required, this gives car manufacturers the opportunity to change not only the operating time of the injection but also allows them to adjust how much the injector opens. Due to the incredibly short switching time of piezoelectric injectors it is possible to operate them up to five times per cycle.

The injector can be angled a number of ways depending on a number of factors; the injector can be angled down towards the piston at an oblique angle, the combustion chamber in the piston then deflects the fuel spray in the direction of the spark plug. This is called wall directed combustion and the advantage of this method is that you can accurately direct the fuel jet at the spark plug. However because the fuel condenses on the piston crown you tend to get higher amounts of unburnt fuel (HC) in the exhaust emissions. Alternatively the injector can be laid virtually flat and a cushion of air used on top of the piston to direct the fuel at the spark plug. This stops the fuel condensing on the piston so reducing the emissions of HC however the cushion of air that forms on top of the piston is not always consistent; this can lead to poor combustion and in severe cases a misfire on an individual cylinder. Often it is impossible to exactly define which of the two previous processes are being used as they can overlap depending on where the manufactures choose to inject the fuel in the combustion cycle. Lastly the injector can be mounted vertically, where a spark plug would normally be, this is called spray directed combustion. The advantage this has over the two former methods is that the spray pattern is not deflected by the piston coming up the bore, the spark plug is located right next to the injector so the cloud of fuel can be kept as small as possible while still achieving good combustion.

However injecting fuel this way requires injectors that can operate at even higher speeds which whilst a challenge for car manufacturers is the most efficient method of direct injection. While I have categorized these operating methods in black and white the injection system will operate across the boundaries of different strategies depending on the perceived needs of the engine. During some periods of operation it will also use fuel to clean the catalyst but these modes only last for very short periods of time.
Hopefully this gives you some idea of how the JTS system on Alfas works, needless to say direct injection systems are evolving all the time and I am sure that it won’t be long before the system becomes even more complicated.
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Re: Re Alfa Romeo JTS 3.2 camshaft change question

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I'm afraid one of the biggest things that will rather than could go wrong will be the cam swaps' failure to produce a 20% power gain... #-o
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My concern is not the power increase but that the grinders have a general advisory:

https://www.cb-cams.com/en/faq.php wrote:IS IT NECESSARY TO RE-PROGRAM THE ELECTRONICS OR REPLACE THE VALVE SPRINGS OR EVEN THE VALVES AFTER FITTING YOUR CAMSHAFTS?

To fit a Colombo & Bariani camshaft it is not obligatory to modify the electronics parameters.
However, to get better performance it is advisable the tune the inlet system to attain a good dialogue between camshafts and electronics. For road camshafts nothing must be replaced.
In case of racing applications, the tuner should evaluate the use of new springs or valves.
I am worried about potential engine damage.
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I know nothing about that engine but you will most likely have piston to valve clearance issues with that much duration added and cam phasers if it is close at all now...
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Thank you for the comments!
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I am working a lot with projects to improve current model OEM engine performance with limited access to make changes to the ECU, (far more than most tuners have though).
The newest ECU monitor so much (and in such sophisticated ways) that even very small changes trigger alarms that intentionally paralyze an engine (sometimes permanently to disable the engine to limit liability of damage done by tuners).

Make sure the risk is worth the reward and that he can afford to back out of it if things go wrong.

A lot of new cars are tuned on a razor thin edge that once you fall off it with a modification, you may be looking at 100's if not 1,000s of hours of dyno time to make it pleasant to drive and pass emissions if required.

It is fairly common to develop an improvement to a modern engine that has many 1,000's of hours in the original calibration and have to live with some compromises in drivability. It seems cool for about an hour to less extreme drivers and they often ask about "making it back the way it was".

New cars are just that good, there is so little left on the table that you can only design for different performance requirements (durability and emissions are included in performance here). If you design for the same requirements, the only place you are likely to find gains are where economy of manufacture drove a compromise.
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hondo383 wrote: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:09 pm I know nothing about that engine but you will most likely have piston to valve clearance issues with that much duration added and cam phasers if it is close at all now...
Agreed. Plus you will have to re-tune the ecu, is it a GM derived unit?
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The ECU itself?

I am told the software was developed by Ferrari and the VVT phasers by Toyota/Aisin.
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It the cams in question are from a reputable company and they have been tested then why be concerned?

....but it's the "been tested" part you really want to see proof of and what other mods were part of the testing.
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mk e wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:17 am It the cams in question are from a reputable company and they have been tested then why be concerned?

....but it's the "been tested" part you really want to see proof of and what other mods were part of the testing.
No, they have not been tested in this particular engine. I know there is a vast wealth of experience on the forum regarding carburetors and various fuel injection schemes but I do not recall threads about tuning with direct injection. The closest would be diesels but of course that is a bit different.
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Kevin Johnson wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:31 am
mk e wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:17 am It the cams in question are from a reputable company and they have been tested then why be concerned?

....but it's the "been tested" part you really want to see proof of and what other mods were part of the testing.
No, they have not been tested in this particular engine. I know there is a vast wealth of experience on the forum regarding carburetors and various fuel injection schemes but I do not recall threads about tuning with direct injection. The closest would be diesels but of course that is a bit different.
If it hasn't been tested then it's a development project and all the concerns list by others apply. You need to measure clearances, determine cam position limits and either to be certain there are no issues at the limits of any cam adjuster system. That may require pistons or modsctobthe cam adjusters.

Once that's done then you can start to talk about tuning. I assume it's a Bosch ecu but I have no idea what's available to retune it or what knowledge is out there about what needs to be tuned to keep the warnings off......or think about an aftermarket ecu.

Those cam specs are very close to what's in my frankenferrari.....ramp angle and top of the lines may be different but thos are just a couple degrees more duration and 0.3mm less lift....very close....and nothing like tame ;)
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He has had the stock engine carefully dynoed and it appears that at higher rpm there is sufficient fuel mass to allow operation at increased power output albeit at a possibly higher A/F ratio. I learned that the dyno operator does not allow him to be present when the engine is being tested. I am unsure if this is for safety reasons or to protect proprietary knowledge. My tendency is towards the latter.

I totally agree about checking the mechanics of the engine.
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I'm surprised there is 23% extra fuel available...I'd say recheck the math and be sure to include rpm in the calculation. I'm just not sure what's available....a quick search found an article about injectors for fords but not the actual parts or any other engines.

The standard answer seems to be to add port injectors to get the extra fuel. Maybe on a separate aftermarket ecu and time the pulse so you don't get raw fuel out the exhaust and anger the emission checks.
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I know there are valuable inputs from many more knowledgeable than I, but my primary concern in a situation like you described would be P to V clearance with cam phasers.

In ecus I've worked with using VVT or what have you, changing cams without changing the table would be fruitless, not to mention dangerous.

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n2xlr8n wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:56 am I know there are valuable inputs from many more knowledgeable than I, but my primary concern in a situation like you described would be P to V clearance with cam phasers.

In ecus I've worked with using VVT or what have you, changing cams without changing the table would be fruitless, not to mention dangerous.

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I've never tried to tune a cam table... but I'd think it would add a out 10x to the tuning time?
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