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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by Newold1 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:52 pm

This thread subject should be renamed "Ford goes LS" ? ! :lol:
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Post by cjperformance » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:04 pm

Newold1 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:52 pm
This thread subject should be renamed "Ford goes LS" ? ! :lol:
Well the LS is just an alloy block ford FE with tidied up windsor heads but I dont see a problem either way 8)
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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by 96blackgt54 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:20 pm

Hey,....yall remember when Ford guys badgered the Chevy folk about the LS switching to identical cylinders like a Ford.....with port and valve placement? No more of that weird left or right port placement them Chevy backwards thinkers are.....just sayin!

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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by Rowdy Yates » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:27 pm

? is when block and parts will be available..... Looking for wrecked f350's is a No Go....

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Post by Keith Morganstein » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:40 pm

And Ford copied the the SBC for the Windsor with a few tweaks... blah, blah, blah...

What’s interesting about the new Ford 7.3 is the emphasis on heavy duty construction and parts. Looks as it will be ripe for turbocharging. 7.3 L and lots of boost.. now we’re talking!
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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by cjperformance » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:44 pm

Keith Morganstein wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:40 pm
And Ford copied the the SBC for the Windsor with a few tweaks... blah, blah, blah...

What’s interesting about the new Ford 7.3 is the emphasis on heavy duty construction and parts. Looks as it will be ripe for turbocharging. 7.3 L and lots of boost.. now we’re talking!
This is exactly my thought. This is why im interested in external dimensions and weight, would be great for someone to post those here when they know.
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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by Steve.k » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:02 pm

cjperformance wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:04 pm
Newold1 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:52 pm
This thread subject should be renamed "Ford goes LS" ? ! :lol:
Well the LS is just an alloy block ford FE with tidied up windsor heads but I dont see a problem either way 8)
Hear that. To bad they never had a chassis to put the ford copy in!!Im thinking Ford is wanting to set the record straight with this stove.

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Post by midnightbluS10 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:05 pm

Rowdy Yates wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:27 pm
? is when block and parts will be available..... Looking for wrecked f350's is a No Go....
2020 models, I'd guess. Pretty sure I recall reading that in the multiple articles I've read in the past couple of days.

Edit: here's one, for example. It does say 2020 in most of the articles I've seen from the past few days. They're just starting to produce them, AFAIK, so they wouldn't be in anything on the road currently. No point in wasting time looking.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/f ... pecs-info/
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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by midnightbluS10 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:14 pm

96blackgt54 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:20 pm
Hey,....yall remember when Ford guys badgered the Chevy folk about the LS switching to identical cylinders like a Ford.....with port and valve placement? No more of that weird left or right port placement them Chevy backwards thinkers are.....just sayin!
Why do people make such a big deal about this when it matters absolutely none? People will argue til the day they die about this when it's inconsequential. It makes no difference except to the people who have convinced themselves it's important. Why waste that much time and energy? What does it gain a person?
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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by Rowdy Yates » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:19 pm

Get that....how many F350's do you find at any junkyard? Also 2020 is when the truck will be available not bare blocks, heads, rods & crank. When will this be available is the ?. Engine will be rare just like a Ls7 and a special option means Fewer to find at any junkyard.

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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by 96blackgt54 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:22 am

Keith Morganstein wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:40 pm
And Ford copied the the SBC for the Windsor with a few tweaks... blah, blah, blah...

What’s interesting about the new Ford 7.3 is the emphasis on heavy duty construction and parts. Looks as it will be ripe for turbocharging. 7.3 L and lots of boost.. now we’re talking!
But im sure all the internals will be powdered metal, fragile hyputectic, or some material thats on the brink of destruction but very capable for its intended purpose.

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Post by gregsdart » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:57 am

Ok, jumping in hear late, but consider this. A cam over cam. Pushrod 4 valve v8, with dual valve timing? Olds had a 4v 455 cube pushrod motor on the dyno in testing, in 1965 for the Toronado. It made 100 hp per 1,000 rpm and fried the dyno at 8,000 rpm and 800hp!! If they could build that 54 years ago, you would think something like it today could be built!
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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by Newold1 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:37 am

This new Ford 7.3L will never really be an aftermarket performance engine so those discussing that thought are out of their minds. This engine wont be available in big enough numbers to see it fall into the aftermarket in any economical way like the GM LS.

What is sad here is that in 20 years yep 20 years Ford could not do better than almost a dead copy of a GM LS design!

As many have said already why did they not use this new design in various liter sizes and use their ECO-BOOST technology to gain incredible torque and power with easily equivalent milage or better and still meet stricter emissions laws. Instead Ford has put out a product that is 20 years old when it was released!

How is this represent new technology and innovation, it's not its a backslide! [-X
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Post by Steve.k » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:11 am

Newold1 wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:37 am
This new Ford 7.3L will never really be an aftermarket performance engine so those discussing that thought are out of their minds. This engine wont be available in big enough numbers to see it fall into the aftermarket in any economical way like the GM LS.

What is sad here is that in 20 years yep 20 years Ford could not do better than almost a dead copy of a GM LS design!

As many have said already why did they not use this new design in various liter sizes and use their ECO-BOOST technology to gain incredible torque and power with easily equivalent milage or better and still meet stricter emissions laws. Instead Ford has put out a product that is 20 years old when it was released!

How is this represent new technology and innovation, it's not its a backslide! [-X
Many debates on the LS design. Here is a couple of comparisons. Coincidence? I doubt it. http://351c.net/board/index.php?/topic/ ... -nov-2011/

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Re: Ford goes pushrod?

Post by echosixmike » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:52 pm

Current(-11/Tier 4) diesel emissions equipment makes that otherwise reliable technology garbage for an extremely competitive commercial truck market, hence the return to gas engines in the medium duty field. The lower the initial price point, the better they can sell to short time focused and desperate commercial truck business. With California outright banning older trucks and with high demand for reliable older trucks in more practical states, the usual decrepit, castoff jalopies aren't an option for the entry level commercial trucking firms.

The big market here is going to be the independent contractors for Amazon etc. S/F...Ken M

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