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sleeving 409 w block

Post by wagon62 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:45 pm

i have a 409 w block with crack in cylinder all. this is not high HP but a resto project any tips or suggestions?
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by Schurkey » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:47 pm

wagon62 wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:45 pm
i have a 409 w block with crack in cylinder all.
Huh?

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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by wagon62 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:49 pm

Sorry should have said wall!!
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by cjperformance » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:56 pm

Sleeve it but make sure that whoever does the job is very well versed in sleeve work, with the deck angle this job can go really well or really bad! If done right no problem.
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by tenxal » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:18 pm

Straight forward deal, plus the deck needs to be addressed....best to square both decks when you sleeve one side.

Passenger car block or truck block (valve notch in the bore)?

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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by PackardV8 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:14 pm

tenxal wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:18 pm
Straight forward deal, plus the deck needs to be addressed....best to square both decks when you sleeve one side.

Passenger car block or truck block (valve notch in the bore)?
Expect to pay 2X the money because the W-block is a pain to square deck.
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by cjperformance » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:17 pm

^^x2
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by Truckedup » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:49 am

Is it a pain in the ass because the shop needs set up equipment differently or some other reason?
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by cjperformance » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:12 am

Truckedup wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:49 am
Is it a pain in the ass because the shop needs set up equipment differently or some other reason?
The deck is not at 90* to the cylinder like most engines.
http://www.bhjproducts.com/bhj_content/ ... bt1_v6.php
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by Truckedup » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:44 am

cjperformance wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:12 am
Truckedup wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:49 am
Is it a pain in the ass because the shop needs set up equipment differently or some other reason?
The deck is not at 90* to the cylinder like most engines.
http://www.bhjproducts.com/bhj_content/ ... bt1_v6.php
I know that...So is that a big deal because of set up time or?
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by tenxal » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:10 am

PackardV8 wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:14 pm
Expect to pay 2X the money because the W-block is a pain to square deck.
I think that's fair pricing....that's around what I paid.

I was happy to pass over the folding money. :wink:

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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by cjperformance » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:39 pm

Truckedup wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:44 am
cjperformance wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:12 am
Truckedup wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:49 am
Is it a pain in the ass because the shop needs set up equipment differently or some other reason?
The deck is not at 90* to the cylinder like most engines.
http://www.bhjproducts.com/bhj_content/ ... bt1_v6.php
I know that...So is that a big deal because of set up time or?
Sorry i didnt know you knew. But yes more setup time, more investmemt in tooling, and a little more skill required than a straight forward 90* deck deal due to the sleeve entering one edge before the other
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by PackardV8 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:30 pm

Just to make the W-engine deck flat is the same cost as any regular V8. To get both decks square to the crank and at the correct angles to each other is a big PITA. Many of us use the BHJ fixture in the surfacer to set to 90 degrees. Since the W-engine decks are at angle, it requires an adapter from BHJ, plus more setup time.

When a sleeve is installed, cutting off the excess is another PITA and if it's a truck block, cutting the matching recess is a double PITA.
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by modok » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:37 pm

I've done a few, think we added maybe another hundred bucks for the trouble of cutting the angled deck and valve relief.
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Re: sleeving 409 w block

Post by Truckedup » Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:02 am

PackardV8 wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:30 pm
Just to make the W-engine deck flat is the same cost as any regular V8. To get both decks square to the crank and at the correct angles to each other is a big PITA. Many of us use the BHJ fixture in the surfacer to set to 90 degrees. Since the W-engine decks are at angle, it requires an adapter from BHJ, plus more setup time.

When a sleeve is installed, cutting off the excess is another PITA and if it's a truck block, cutting the matching recess is a double PITA.
Jack, do you mean PITA literally or just saying it's more work? I always thought machinists liked the challenge, and money, of something different than pounding out SBC'S ...
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