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Re: Invisible ls3 head demo

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Don't forget a high speed/high resolution camera to be able to properly slow-mo the playback.
Icing on the cake would be, instead of a flowbench, a transparant cylinder and an actual highspeed moving piston which could vary speed with functional intake and exhaust valves, pumping those styroballs around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vJYdMddII
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bigblockmopar wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:33 pm Don't forget a high speed/high resolution camera to be able to properly slow-mo the playback.
Icing on the cake would be, instead of a flowbench, a transparant cylinder and an actual highspeed moving piston which could vary speed with functional intake and exhaust valves, pumping those styroballs around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vJYdMddII
An honest question, what are we supposed to learn from all that? Watching styrofoam balls fly around?
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Now I know what will happen when I crash my corvette into a pillow factory.
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Headguy wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:51 pm Now I know what will happen when I crash my corvette into a pillow factory.
:lol: yes good one !
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bigblockmopar wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:33 pm Don't forget a high speed/high resolution camera to be able to properly slow-mo the playback.
Icing on the cake would be, instead of a flowbench, a transparant cylinder and an actual highspeed moving piston which could vary speed with functional intake and exhaust valves, pumping those styroballs around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vJYdMddII
Here is a good in cylinder camera of a running 4 cycle engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvmBLqjaZxY
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Frankshaft wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:47 pm
bigblockmopar wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:33 pm Don't forget a high speed/high resolution camera to be able to properly slow-mo the playback.
Icing on the cake would be, instead of a flowbench, a transparant cylinder and an actual highspeed moving piston which could vary speed with functional intake and exhaust valves, pumping those styroballs around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vJYdMddII
An honest question, what are we supposed to learn from all that? Watching styrofoam balls fly around?
About the same-thing you would learn watching a CFD simulation except it's not a simulation.
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Actually it is a simulation but you can't see the airflow or velocity profile or gradients like on cfd
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Sometimes things only get 'seen', noticed/learned/explained until you actually see it happening.
And it never hurst to double check a simulation for correctness.
Just like Jon Kaase putting his finger in an intake port to get a 'feel' for what was actually happening inside.
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GARY C wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:51 pm
Frankshaft wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:47 pm
bigblockmopar wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:33 pm Don't forget a high speed/high resolution camera to be able to properly slow-mo the playback.
Icing on the cake would be, instead of a flowbench, a transparant cylinder and an actual highspeed moving piston which could vary speed with functional intake and exhaust valves, pumping those styroballs around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vJYdMddII
An honest question, what are we supposed to learn from all that? Watching styrofoam balls fly around?
About the same-thing you would learn watching a CFD simulation except it's not a simulation.
Nope, there are no pressure waves present during the clear flow bench test, just continuous flow.
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I agree Warp. Think of it as a snapshot of time in the port at lower than operating pressures.
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Warp Speed wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:17 pm
GARY C wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:51 pm
Frankshaft wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:47 pm

An honest question, what are we supposed to learn from all that? Watching styrofoam balls fly around?
About the same-thing you would learn watching a CFD simulation except it's not a simulation.
Nope, there are no pressure waves present during the clear flow bench test, just continuous flow.
At least those Lucas Oil Stabilizer displays at the autoparts store show how to increase windage. You know those gear to gear displays.
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Re: Invisible ls3 head demo

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Headguy wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:29 pm
Warp Speed wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:17 pm
GARY C wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:51 pm

About the same-thing you would learn watching a CFD simulation except it's not a simulation.
Nope, there are no pressure waves present during the clear flow bench test, just continuous flow.
At least those Lucas Oil Stabilizer displays at the autoparts store show how to increase windage. You know those gear to gear displays.
Based on the CFD image what would you guys change on this head to improve it?
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GARY C wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:02 pm Based on the CFD image what would you guys change on this head to improve it?
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I'd change the chamber to get rid of those sharp corners and eliminate that dead space. lol
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groberts101 wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:15 pm
GARY C wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:02 pm Based on the CFD image what would you guys change on this head to improve it?
I'd change the chamber to get rid of those sharp corners and eliminate that dead space. lol
It's from the bottom of this page with a couple of others talking about a virtual flowbench.
https://www.musclecardiy.com/cylinder-h ... s-part-10/
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Re: Invisible ls3 head demo

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GARY C wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:02 pm
Headguy wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:29 pm
Warp Speed wrote: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:17 pm

Nope, there are no pressure waves present during the clear flow bench test, just continuous flow.
At least those Lucas Oil Stabilizer displays at the autoparts store show how to increase windage. You know those gear to gear displays.
Based on the CFD image what would you guys change on this head to improve it?
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Kind of tough to make recommendations to the port based on 1 view angle.
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