Don Terrill’s Speed-Talk

i know NASCAR wants them sucked down to the track to keep them out of the stands. if they would have the air going under the car instead of over the car the aero push when some one tries overtakes the other car would go away. the driver all say the same thing as soon as i get behind the other car their car pushes because the front down force goes away. wider tires for more mechanical grip and less aero would make the racing netter

Warp Speed wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:57 pm It's funny, no matter the starting topic, every thread involving NASCAR or NHRA Pro Stock moves to the "cars arent relavent to what the oems do now" deal. They haven't been the same as factory cars in over 30 years! LOL
Should we race a Prius? Lol
I've said this many times, but it goes for everything in life. The good old days are gone, but that doesn't mean we can't have good new days. The racing has never been better, the drivers never more talented, and the technology never so advanced.
What's not to like?

Nobody expects them to be off the show room floor copies, but they do want SOME connection to either modern designs or at least the heritage that created them. The "S" in NASCAR should be changed from "stock" to "spec".

If everything is so amazing then why are ratings and attendance down?

Bos's5.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:05 pm

Warp Speed wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:57 pm It's funny, no matter the starting topic, every thread involving NASCAR or NHRA Pro Stock moves to the "cars arent relavent to what the oems do now" deal. They haven't been the same as factory cars in over 30 years! LOL
Should we race a Prius? Lol
I've said this many times, but it goes for everything in life. The good old days are gone, but that doesn't mean we can't have good new days. The racing has never been better, the drivers never more talented, and the technology never so advanced.
What's not to like?

Nobody expects them to be off the show room floor copies, but they do want SOME connection to either modern designs or at least the heritage that created them. The "S" in NASCAR should be changed from "stock" to "spec".

If everything is so amazing then why are ratings and attendance down?

a lot of the standardization is done so the tech inspectors don't have to work so hard checking all the different body shapes

Bos's5.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:05 pm

Warp Speed wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:57 pm It's funny, no matter the starting topic, every thread involving NASCAR or NHRA Pro Stock moves to the "cars arent relavent to what the oems do now" deal. They haven't been the same as factory cars in over 30 years! LOL
Should we race a Prius? Lol
I've said this many times, but it goes for everything in life. The good old days are gone, but that doesn't mean we can't have good new days. The racing has never been better, the drivers never more talented, and the technology never so advanced.
What's not to like?

Nobody expects them to be off the show room floor copies, but they do want SOME connection to either modern designs or at least the heritage that created them. The "S" in NASCAR should be changed from "stock" to "spec".

If everything is so amazing then why are ratings and attendance down?

NASCAR peaked well into the non stock era. It was a novelty. That allure has worn off and been replaced with other things. People finally figured out they were watching a 4hr long commercial and killing their entire weekend. Football is bad enough, but at least that's only 16 weeks, not 9 months of the year.

Political section maybe?

Warp Speed wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:57 pm It's funny, no matter the starting topic, every thread involving NASCAR or NHRA Pro Stock moves to the "cars arent relavent to what the oems do now" deal. They haven't been the same as factory cars in over 30 years! LOL
Should we race a Prius? Lol
I've said this many times, but it goes for everything in life. The good old days are gone, but that doesn't mean we can't have good new days. The racing has never been better, the drivers never more talented, and the technology never so advanced.
What's not to like?

I suspect the typical Nascar fans these days aren't "car guys". The loss of appeal to a few has been replaced by more appeal to the masses. Market saturation, as well as the size of the stands probably has something to do with people seeing crowds that aren't sold out. Kids (and adults too probably) are different than they were when I was a kid. I'm a "car guy" at least in part due to Nascar. When I was a kid (a couple years ago LOL) I listened to races on the radio, and read about them in magazines. There was rarely a race on TV. Nascar was big in the South, but not very well known anywhere else. My Dad used to take me to North Wilkesboro, Charlotte, Darlington and occasionally Rockingham. When (ESPN?) cable TV started showing some races cable wasn't available in my area. A friend of mine's Dad, along with his entire family used to go rent a motel room with cable on race days so they could watch the races. I don't know of any sport, or any other activity that has that kind of support these days. I believe this is in part due to market saturation. Every race is televised, most on over the air (antenna) networks. Peoples attention spans are different now. Back then (when I was a kid) the races weren't particularly competitive. A handful of drivers won all the races. Many of the races had few lead changes, and even ended with only 1 or 2 cars on the lead lap. We didn't get to see enough races to realize it wasn't that competitive.

I haven't followed Nascar for a few years. I'm not a hater, just not that interested. The last race I actually attended was the Winston (I think it was still called the Winston) when a bunch of the cars wrecked in the first turn, in the rain. The last race I attended before that was at Rockingham, and Richard Petty won.

the best racing is on the short tracks because cars are always running next to each other because of the slower speeds and they don't have to worry about bending up a fender

Warp Speed wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:57 pm It's funny, no matter the starting topic, every thread involving NASCAR or NHRA Pro Stock moves to the "cars arent relavent to what the oems do now" deal. They haven't been the same as factory cars in over 30 years! LOL
Should we race a Prius? Lol
I've said this many times, but it goes for everything in life. The good old days are gone, but that doesn't mean we can't have good new days. The racing has never been better, the drivers never more talented, and the technology never so advanced.
What's not to like?

I agree completely, It's the best racing to watch. There is no serious domination by any brand, but occasionally by a driver that figures something out. I'm impressed with the notion that Harvick has a figured a way to spank everyone by getting the car off the corner. Jimmy Johnson won 5 championships in a row and had everyone trying to figure out what they were doing right or different. These races are murder mysteries, and it ain't over till the fat lady sings. If you want races with a foregone conclusion, watch old races where Earnheart or Petty ruled. Some of the old races the winner was ahead by several laps and for entertainment the broadcast would focus on the battle for second place.

woody b wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:39 pm

I haven't followed Nascar for a few years. I'm not a hater, just not that interested. The last race I actually attended was the Winston (I think it was still called the Winston) when a bunch of the cars wrecked in the first turn, in the rain. The last race I attended before that was at Rockingham, and Richard Petty won.

Yes, the 2001 Winston. We won that race in a back up car. It was a thrash, but an Awesome night!

rfoll wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 9:45 pm

Warp Speed wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:57 pm It's funny, no matter the starting topic, every thread involving NASCAR or NHRA Pro Stock moves to the "cars arent relavent to what the oems do now" deal. They haven't been the same as factory cars in over 30 years! LOL
Should we race a Prius? Lol
I've said this many times, but it goes for everything in life. The good old days are gone, but that doesn't mean we can't have good new days. The racing has never been better, the drivers never more talented, and the technology never so advanced.
What's not to like?

I agree completely, It's the best racing to watch. There is no serious domination by any brand, but occasionally by a driver that figures something out. I'm impressed with the notion that Harvick has a figured a way to spank everyone by getting the car off the corner. Jimmy Johnson won 5 championships in a row and had everyone trying to figure out what they were doing right or different. These races are murder mysteries, and it ain't over till the fat lady sings. If you want races with a foregone conclusion, watch old races where Earnheart or Petty ruled. Some of the old races the winner was ahead by several laps and for entertainment the broadcast would focus on the battle for second place.

I was reading a little about all the hubbub with driver disquals, points penalties and repeated fines related to nascar lately. Hendricks and a few others have had a really rough time of it to say the least. Hard to say who's getting more frustrated at this point.. nascar or the teams themselves.

I'm a huge NASCAR fan,I think the issue with butts in the stands is the quality of racing that can be seen on TV and on your IPads.I go to the Fontana race as I have access to hot passes.At that track when the Cup race day is on there is virtually no cell coverage so our young people loose their social media.JMHO,Tom

The number of penalties during the race is the result of using cameras to check for violations. It's like big brother looking over your shoulder, but it reduces the number of personnel standing on pit road, and it removes the likelihood of bias from individual NASCAR towards individual drivers and teams.

What's interesting to me is virtually all the big penalties are being received by the big teams,I guess the the smaller underfunded team can't play in that area as a 50-100K penalty would pretty much kill them.The rear window brace is the area looks like the hot topic now with at least 5 50K penalties in 12 races and maybe another tomorrow for the 42 car.Tom

midnightbluS10 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 4:30 am

427dart wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:20 pm No Chryslers running NASCAR this year as they dropped out.

What IS needed is all manufacturers run a race version of what they sell in production cars and run the EXACT car the engines come in such as the REAL
Ford Mustang.Dodge Challenger or Charger and Chevy Camaro.
Nascar would find that the fans would come back too!

That seems to be the hardcore fans answer to everything motorsports related lately. Fact of the matter is that changing the bodies to oem production bodies alone won't put fans in the seat whether it's Nascar or nhra. But you guys can keep repeating it and hoping it will.


Considering that none of the people that have made the suggestion do any sort of market research, haven't, and likely never will....I'd say no one has a clue whether it would actually put fans in the seats. You're just guessing. Hoping. Assuming with no verifiable information, statistics or basically anything to back it up except for what you think and feel.

Seems like you got your answer, but chose to ignore it, best listen to the "suits", who BTW, ran Nascar into the ground in the first place.