SBC 383 500ft/lb torque build

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Re: SBC 383 500ft/lb torque build

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gmc406 wrote: Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:24 pm Going from a tired old 350 with 300ft/lbs on a good day to nice fresh 383, is going to absolutely no comparison.

Just build the 383 and get what you get. You won’t be disappointed, even if it “only” makes 450ish ft/lbs. The 383 will do what you want.

Or go 406 and get just a little more.
Cause you will spend more money to only get half way there.

Get a 454 oval port engine core and build a very basic 496 bbc that IS towing friendly AND has the desired torque curve too.

A hot rodded sbc will not cut it or last long trying.
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Re: SBC 383 500ft/lb torque build

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Here is my recipe and the result

383 cubes 494 ft lbs 445 Hp 16" idle vacuum
Table top flat torque curve pulls hard from 1800 on? (seat of the pants dyno) Dyno didn't measure below 3000
cranking pressure is about 205 lbs
peaks @5000 but keeps on pulling to about 5500
runs fine on 87 octane (although I run at least 91 for hot days in traffic insurance)
@32 degree's timing with a 160 thermostat
Vortec iron heads W/2.02 1.6 valves good seat job
mild pocket work and laid the short turn back a little
flowed 238cfm at .500 on the intake, polished the chamber while I was at it
9.8-1 compression .039 quench 1.5/1.5/3.0 rings
Balanced standard weight scat rotating assembly
6" Scat stroker clearance rods
19 lbs rotational friction on the build stand

Hydraulic flat tappet cam
Comp Cam Xtreme Energy 5444 lobe
270/270 226/226@.050
.321 lobe lift with 1.65/1.65 rockers
106 lobe center separation 58 overlap

Edelbrock air-gap and a 750 vac sec carb


I don't think I forgot anything?
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Re: SBC 383 500ft/lb torque build

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F-BIRD'88 wrote: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:36 pm
gmc406 wrote: Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:24 pm Going from a tired old 350 with 300ft/lbs on a good day to nice fresh 383, is going to absolutely no comparison.

Just build the 383 and get what you get. You won’t be disappointed, even if it “only” makes 450ish ft/lbs. The 383 will do what you want.

Or go 406 and get just a little more.
Cause you will spend more money to only get half way there.

Get a 454 oval port engine core and build a very basic 496 bbc that IS towing friendly AND has the desired torque curve too.

A hot rodded sbc will not cut it or last long trying.
I mentioned bbc in my previous post. The op has states he wants it to look original.
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Re: SBC 383 500ft/lb torque build

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Wasn't ment as a dig on uou gmc406
The OP needs to come to the side of reality and practicality..


GM trucks came factory with a Big Block Chev engine..
He needs to see that and get one. (496-502)
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A basic 383 with a decent cam will be more than plenty. It will make more horsepower and torque than any factory equipped 454. Will it make 500lb ft. Not at the Rpm you would want if it did.

You won't need heavily ported heads.etc

Some people forget horsepower and tq ratings of newer gas engines in 3/4 to 1 ton ratings.

Don't be discouraged by people telling you to go big block. 400hp and 435ftlbs is still a lot. And more than the diesels of years past.
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Headguy wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:51 pm A basic 383 with a decent cam will be more than plenty. It will make more horsepower and torque than any factory equipped 454.
What ?? Not without a tunnel ram, a blower and 4 Qjet carbs it won't !!!! :lol:

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randy331 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:28 pm
Headguy wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:51 pm A basic 383 with a decent cam will be more than plenty. It will make more horsepower and torque than any factory equipped 454.
What ?? Not without a tunnel ram, a blower and 4 Qjet carbs it won't !!!! :lol:

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Decent Cam? Did Comp introduce a new line of cam shafts or is Decent the cam company? :D
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GARY C wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:59 pm
randy331 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:28 pm
Headguy wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:51 pm A basic 383 with a decent cam will be more than plenty. It will make more horsepower and torque than any factory equipped 454.
What ?? Not without a tunnel ram, a blower and 4 Qjet carbs it won't !!!! :lol:

Randy
Decent Cam? Did Comp introduce a new line of cam shafts or is Decent the cam company? :D
Pretty much anything that was designed in the last 20 years I would consider decent. I would say no blue racer, wolverine,summit..etc

I'd suggest something in the 218-225 range 108-110 lobe sep.
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My take on a high torque 383 early 90's for the old work truck. -22cc hyper pistons ceramic coated, 5.7" worked up Chevy rods, ported swirl port chevy heads cut for 2.055/1.6 valves, k-line guides, 7/16" studs and guide plates, cut for roller springs ceramic coated valves and chambers. Comp 260hr cam 260 adv 206 @.05" .533" lift 110 lc with comp good full roller 1.6 rockers.shortie headers good exhaust, manifolds from ported stock tbi to vic jr. From stock tbi to ported tbi to holley 2 barrel tbi to Holley four barrel laptop tbi. Ran this mill for many years, it made excellent torque. Later years I installed AFR 190's 2.055/1.625 ported heads but they didn't help. Swirl ports can make good power they just don't like high rpm. Thanks, Charlie
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Re: SBC 383 500ft/lb torque build

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Carnut1 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:52 pm Swirl ports can make good power they just don't like high rpm. Thanks, Charlie
Same goes for the 96+ Vortec's too. They have an optimum window of operation(velocity) that they work best in. Put them on a 406+ engine and try to rev them and they fall way short very quickly up top. Short side speeds get crazy fast and they stall and go turbulent in the higher lift ranges.

The other thing to keep in mind is that as the torque output goes up at lower rpm's so does the cylinder heads requirement. And a better head then allows a smaller cam without hurting peak power output a great deal. So, looking at some of the engine masters builds as a benchmark for very high specific output starting at much lower rpm's(2500-3000), you'll quickly see these guys aren't running tiny 180cc heads with little street lift cams and lower ratio street compression. Lot's of ways to skin the same cat.. but some ways will be MUCH cheaper than others.

For lower rpm deals.. I like compression.. VERY tight squish.. lot's of part throttle ignition timing(relatively speaking in comparison to the "accepted norm").. increased lean burn capability at steady state cruise.. and very low throttle angles due to the carb's increased signal quality and ability to better atomize the fuel to achieve said lean burn characteristics. Smaller primary headers with tiny'ish collectors, cooler intake charges, lower water temps, underdrive pulleys, efans also run hand in hand with greater throttle response and low engine speed efficiency as well. Every little bit helps in cumulative fashion. They may not rev all that high but much bigger balls than most similar parts combo's they will have.
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I did a Chinese Vortec copy at DV's shop last time I was there and the ssr was very high stock. I got 255 cfm with a first try rough out. I did't think that was bad at all. The swirl ports probably only flow 225 cfm even with a 2.055 valve. This mill had a .036 quench before the ceramics so quench was tight, spark advance was about 28.
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Carnut1 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:19 pm I did a Chinese Vortec copy at DV's shop last time I was there and the ssr was very high stock. I got 255 cfm with a first try rough out. I did't think that was bad at all. The swirl ports probably only flow 225 cfm even with a 2.055 valve. This mill had a .036 quench before the ceramics so quench was tight, spark advance was about 28.
I hear you but you know as well as I that the bench can only approximate what happens on a running motor. Both those heads have far too much mixture movement at higher lifts and power takes a hit because of it. You can put a bigger valve in them but they still fall off comapred to another head with much more relaxed short turn speeds. Tough to have it all and it seems something always gets traded off in the mix.

Chris's dyno plot above looks flat as the horizon.. wonder what heads that motor used?
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cstraub wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:10 pm This is a SBC 408 combination I worked with a customer on for commercial contract for jet boats up in AK. 8.8 to 1 compression design to run on 86 octane.
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Oh my! That would be a lot of fun in my Nova!
Are you at liberty to divulge any details?

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Yes, Chris I would like more details on that engine build. Is it a trade secret?
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mtmvette wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:29 pm Yes, Chris I would like more details on that engine build. Is it a trade secret?
Throttles Perf also did a pair of 400” sbc miniram efi motors that had similar power. Made 500 hp and torq. Would make more torque with a longer runner intake for sure. He had a post on his facebook
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