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Re: Best engine??

Post by Frankshaft » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:10 pm

bigpoppapreston wrote:
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http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubb ... -make.html

815hp 11.5:1 compression pump gas 438 Hemi. Outside of the 4 valve stuff, Hemi design especially the newer G3 Hemi heads are the best oem heads.
640 tq? Just be be blunt. Knock 10% off those numbers and that's what it really made. Turn the happy nob down to the correct setting, that's what it makes. If this engine even exists. Not an attack, so, don't take it that way. Just, when you see, a post like that, it's​usually fantasy land.

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Post by Warp Speed » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:54 pm

LOL

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Post by MTENGINES » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:12 pm

Frankshaft wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:10 pm
bigpoppapreston wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 am
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubb ... -make.html

815hp 11.5:1 compression pump gas 438 Hemi. Outside of the 4 valve stuff, Hemi design especially the newer G3 Hemi heads are the best oem heads.
640 tq? Just be be blunt. Knock 10% off those numbers and that's what it really made. Turn the happy nob down to the correct setting, that's what it makes. If this engine even exists. Not an attack, so, don't take it that way. Just, when you see, a post like that, it's​usually fantasy land.
Lol =D>

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Re: Best engine??

Post by Bos's5.0 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:18 pm

cgarb wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:08 pm
I would take that bet on a stock BBF rod...not as shitty as you would think. They are heavy as hell but pretty beefy. I think a well prepped set with bolts would hang in there just fine. Might be a service item at those HP levels, but back in the day everything was a service item to make good power.
Ya gotta look for the "football" head rods...that was what I read back in the day and scoured around till I could find a set. I think I still have them somewhere half polished. I'd just get a set of scat's or eagles now.

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Re: Best engine??

Post by Frankshaft » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 am

Ok, we can use an aftermarket rod. Like Superstock allows, when not that many years ago, you couldn't. I will say, I know the hemi can make power, I am surprised no one mentioned the Hemi super Stockers, the one advantage they have over the bbc is better manifold and 2 carbs, for super stock that is. The issue with the hemi, cost. That was part of it.

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Post by Powertrip » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:05 pm

Frankshaft wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 am
Ok, we can use an aftermarket rod. Like Superstock allows, when not that many years ago, you couldn't. I will say, I know the hemi can make power, I am surprised no one mentioned the Hemi super Stockers, the one advantage they have over the bbc is better manifold and 2 carbs, for super stock that is. The issue with the hemi, cost. That was part of it.
If you take cost and availability out of the equation, do you think the BBC is still better than a Hemi? I have to concede to the BBC given your original parameters.
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Post by Newold1 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:40 am

After careful thought, consideration, regurgitation and possible bribes I am changing my choice to the BBC. We have a Winner! :lol: :wink:

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Post by Frankshaft » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:05 am

Powertrip wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:05 pm
Frankshaft wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 am
Ok, we can use an aftermarket rod. Like Superstock allows, when not that many years ago, you couldn't. I will say, I know the hemi can make power, I am surprised no one mentioned the Hemi super Stockers, the one advantage they have over the bbc is better manifold and 2 carbs, for super stock that is. The issue with the hemi, cost. That was part of it.
If you take cost and availability out of the equation, do you think the BBC is still better than a Hemi? I have to concede to the BBC given your original parameters.
That was kind of the point of the thread. To discuss why you thought one was better than the other.

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Post by CGT » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 am

As much as I am not a fan of the Big Chevy, under the Frankshaft's criteria, I agree the BBC is the winner.

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Post by fordified » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:19 am

I'm a die hard Ford man but I cut my teeth racing a BBC in the 80's. If we're talking pushrod motor and being honest about it, pound for pound dollar for dollar the BBC is king for sure.

On the other hand my vote for best overall engine with no concern for cost would be a side oiler 427 high riser.

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Re: Best engine??

Post by Powertrip » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:57 am

CGT wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 am
As much as I am not a fan of the Big Chevy, under the Frankshaft's criteria, I agree the BBC is the winner.
Ditto. Given his criteria, there is nothing to discuss.
So let's change the criteria: Best Engine defined as 1) Production based available over multiple years. 2) Factory block, head castings, factory crank and rods. 3) Modifications limited to Blueprinting, Porting, headers, intake and carbs, camshaft and valve train. 3) Winner is most reliable power in Oval track, Drag strip, Bonneville, etc...( something to debate and discuss ).

My vote: 426 Hemi :shock:
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Re: Best engine??

Post by bigpoppapreston » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:23 pm

http://www.dragzine.com/news/video-gary ... -22-blast/

I know..I know, the next goal post change will be the cost. Right?
-Poppy

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Re: Best engine??

Post by CGT » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:54 pm

Powertrip wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:57 am
CGT wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 am
As much as I am not a fan of the Big Chevy, under the Frankshaft's criteria, I agree the BBC is the winner.
Ditto. Given his criteria, there is nothing to discuss.
So let's change the criteria: Best Engine defined as 1) Production based available over multiple years. 2) Factory block, head castings, factory crank and rods. 3) Modifications limited to Blueprinting, Porting, headers, intake and carbs, camshaft and valve train. 3) Winner is most reliable power in Oval track, Drag strip, Bonneville, etc...( something to debate and discuss ).

My vote: 426 Hemi :shock:
I'd take LS under those rules.

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Re: Best engine??

Post by fordified » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:10 pm

National Record:

SS/A 8.53 155.58 10/09/16 Ray Paquet - Holt, MI '64 Fairlane

Considering that he's one of a select few who has run that combination I'd say the 427 is the killer.

The hemi's are awesome no question about it but they've had a ton of R&D work done on them and they run on the jagged edge. There have been a lot of cars in that class and the motors are timebombs so my vote is still 427 Ford.

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Re: Best Chevy engine??

Post by bigblockmopar » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:56 pm

CGT wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:54 pm
I'd take LS under those rules.
I would use a Limited Slip too at Bonneville and Dragstrip racing...

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