Race Engine Challenge

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby kid7755 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:11 am

F-BIRD'88 wrote:Only one rule:
Dual Q-jet carbs induction required... May the best man win.

Hemi's, LSX, SBC BBC All fords bring it Hope you brought enough.


This is awesome! I would accept that challenge. Lmao

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Steve.k » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:22 am

Actually a all oem challenge in each engine size. All out but cast parts other than intakes and headers. All out with factory components. New to old what ever engine you want n/a is only rule.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Barry_R » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:37 am

Steve.k wrote:Actually a all oem challenge in each engine size. All out but cast parts other than intakes and headers. All out with factory components. New to old what ever engine you want n/a is only rule.


I would sleep through that one.

..but if factored for cubic inches a Cleveland would win unless you allowed new stuff in.
..if you let new stuff in the multicam Ford takes it
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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Steve.k » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:46 am

Well Barry i guess you could have a oem style run and then a all out n/a challenge with whatever parts you can afford. The baddest of the new tec. Of course the deep pockets kick in that class but it would be cool to see whats out there.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby tresi » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:42 am

Vintage can have several meanings now daze. Aluminum heads, electronic fuel injection and roller cams are common on todays grocery getters. Not meaning to complicate this farther but vintage need to be split into 2 or more classes like pre 1990 and pre 1965.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby BOSS 429 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:01 pm

thats great that SOME are in cars, Im talking about all of them should be ran in a car.

this would be a good test,and not just a DYNO mule engine. Its great to have flow bench,and dyno info. but if it wont go down a track, it means nothing.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Gregory » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:09 pm

Barry_R wrote:One things that seems to keep getting missed is the visual punch of the entries.
When they forced everybody into a single four barrel on a dual plane intake it drives them all toward visual boredom.

It would be really cool to see the independent runner Webers, running against the tunnel rams, running against a modern single dominator, running against an EFI with a central throttle body, etc. Have tight rules on the innards to control costs (lift, compression, fuel, heads), but let the stuff readers can see run wild.


When it comes to induction systems Barry is seeing the light. We want this to be an engine contest by engine builders for engine builders where creativity is one of the goals.
Knowing that you can't please everybody with one set of rules, we plan on having three contests with three sets of rules every other week starting in October, 2019. Along with our concurant tech seminars we what gears heads to feel there is no where else they rather be in America than in Charlotte during the month of October.
Understand, 2018 is our first year and we want to make sure everything goes smooth before we ramp it up for 2019.
Some of the comments on here have been silly but, there also has been some good one so keep it up.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby gmrocket » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:01 am

The outward Visual appeal of the engine does very little for me. Maybe that's because I'm way more impressed by sleeper engines that make me wonder how a builder created a monster from nothing and still look relatively tame.

I can't count how many times I've been disappointed by bling, pop and pow when the looks is "it"

The other contest focuses too much on the eye candy in my opinion,,it does sell magazines though . they see nothing wrong with $3000.00 worth of external chrome trinkets and flashy do nothing external add ons, yet have strict limits on ring dimensions? What engine builder in a right mind would see that as a good thing? But apparently it is

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby David Vizard » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:50 pm

I have waded through most of this thread and I am liking a lot of what I see.

I have had many people ask me why I don't enter the EMC and the simple truth is I am up to my ears in stuff that is more race then EMC material.

Add to that the cost - to do the job in sufficient detail to have a chance at winning is probably about $50,000 (I have heard of figs as high as $75,000). I am a one man business. In my shop I do everything including scrubbing the floor.If I am working on an engine that would have only minimal to do with my business then I would most likely starve before it was all over.

But this is a race engine challenge! That got my attention but I was still somewhat skeptical. Just how much innovation would the rule makers go for?

Could I build a version of my 289 road racer? That uses so many stock parts as called for by the rules so innovation in a very detailed form plays a big role.

Next thing to crop up here is that this is in Charlotte and the guy organizing it organized my 1996 seminar at UNCC. Did a great job on that so this was all going to happen in my back yard with somebody competent to do the job. Location and organizational expertise -- right there that would be a money saver for me.

I questioned Greg on the probability of any lower cubic inch limit allowing me to enter a small displacement engine. Answer - not a chance!

But I did get a strong impression that innovation would be a key factor in the rule making.

Right there I made two entries!


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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby David Vizard » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:41 am

Guys,

I think some of you are misunderstanding the part throttle tests. The throttle pedal modulates the power to what ever is needed when less than max is called for. Under these conditions the only number of any relevance is the BSFC.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby CGT » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:36 am

David Vizard wrote:I have had many people ask me why I don't enter the EMC and the simple truth is I am up to my ears in stuff that is more race then EMC material.

Like SAM, Kaase, BES etc? Those guys are studs in the racing world and they know that knowledge transfers into EMC , and vice versa. They lay it on the line for EMC....more risk than reward, but they do it regardless. Maybe another year for you huh?

A ford small block could do well by the street class rule set this year in my opinion....right up your alley. 50 to 75 grand would be an extreme stretch in that class, unless a person didn't have any resources at all, or some creative accounting was done.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby David Vizard » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:07 pm

CGT wrote:
David Vizard wrote:I have had many people ask me why I don't enter the EMC and the simple truth is I am up to my ears in stuff that is more race then EMC material.

Like SAM, Kaase, BES etc? Those guys are studs in the racing world and they know that knowledge transfers into EMC , and vice versa. They lay it on the line for EMC....more risk than reward, but they do it regardless. Maybe another year for you huh?

A ford small block could do well by the street class rule set this year in my opinion....right up your alley. 50 to 75 grand would be an extreme stretch in that class, unless a person didn't have any resources at all, or some creative accounting was done.


This was somewhat of a thoughtful comment as I had actually started trying to round up some sponsors to do the 2018 EMC. However when the Race Engine Challenge came about I felt it was definitely time to make a move.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby midnightbluS10 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:17 pm

Walter R. Malik wrote:
BOSS 429 wrote:unlike emc where most if not all will never see a car, be nice to see one installed in a car, and driven


It is obvious that you have no real clue about how or where some of those EMC engines continue to live.

Several reside in cars, trucks and even boats and have for years after the running of that contest.

You may not agree or even like that contest but, at least know what you are talking about.





Didn't somebody build one and run it in EMC, put it in a car that put quite a few miles on it after the contest, and then pulled it out and took it back the next year without so much as a freshening?

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby MadBill » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:21 pm

Speaking of the EMC, has there been a Summer 2017 edition of the EM magazine? My go-to clerk at my usual store always sets aside a copy and calls me, but she's retired now and nobody there recalls seeing it. The web is not informative on the subject... :?
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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby statsystems » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:29 pm

MadBill wrote:Speaking of the EMC, has there been a Summer 2017 edition of the EM magazine? My go-to clerk at my usual store always sets aside a copy and calls me, but she's retired now and nobody there recalls seeing it. The web is not informative on the subject... :?



Ha! I actually looked today but the store I go to still had the last issue on the shelf.


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