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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby MadBill » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:34 pm

That sounds ominous; bookstores usually leave the old issue on the rack until the new one shows up. :( Also, the Zinio digital subscription service doesn't show a Summer 2017. One of our more experienced Speedtalkers was/is involved with the challenge rules; perhaps he can shed some light on the matter.
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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby midnightbluS10 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:42 pm

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MadBill wrote:Speaking of the EMC, has there been a Summer 2017 edition of the EM magazine? My go-to clerk at my usual store always sets aside a copy and calls me, but she's retired now and nobody there recalls seeing it. The web is not informative on the subject... :?



Ha! I actually looked today but the store I go to still had the last issue on the shelf.



Its gone according to Barry Rabotnick. He contacted TEN and they confirmed it is over.

Barry_R@Yellowbullet wrote:I was able to contact somebody at TEN - the publisher for Engine Masters and most other car mags.
They confirmed that Engine Masters Magazine is "gone" - - not to be published anymore.
I still have quantities of several back issues in stock - used to buy them a case at a time and sell them on ebay.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby statsystems » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:35 pm

midnightbluS10 wrote:
statsystems wrote:
MadBill wrote:Speaking of the EMC, has there been a Summer 2017 edition of the EM magazine? My go-to clerk at my usual store always sets aside a copy and calls me, but she's retired now and nobody there recalls seeing it. The web is not informative on the subject... :?



Ha! I actually looked today but the store I go to still had the last issue on the shelf.



Its gone according to Barry Rabotnick. He contacted TEN and they confirmed it is over.

Barry_R@Yellowbullet wrote:I was able to contact somebody at TEN - the publisher for Engine Masters and most other car mags.
They confirmed that Engine Masters Magazine is "gone" - - not to be published anymore.
I still have quantities of several back issues in stock - used to buy them a case at a time and sell them on ebay.


Well crapola.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby David Vizard » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:33 am

Am I understanding this? Are we saying no more EMC at UNO or anywhere else for that matter?

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Walter R. Malik » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:37 am

David Vizard wrote:Am I understanding this? Are we saying no more EMC at UNO or anywhere else for that matter?

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The "Engine Masters" magazine is no longer published so it's "gone".
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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby David Vizard » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:51 am

Walter R. Malik wrote:
David Vizard wrote:Am I understanding this? Are we saying no more EMC at UNO or anywhere else for that matter?

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The "Engine Masters" magazine is no longer published so it's "gone".



Thanks Walter,

I am guessing from this the REC will happen with no other competing event. This could possible mean a glut of entries for the REC event.

Glad I got my entry in already!

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby MadBill » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:02 am

Of course, when the EM competition began there was no magazine and it could go on without one. I'm amazed though that with all the Speedtalkers who have competed in it through the years, no one has said a word.. :?
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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby GARY C » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:08 am

MadBill wrote:Of course, when the EM competition began there was no magazine and it could go on without one. I'm amazed though that with all the Speedtalkers who have competed in it through the years, no one has said a word.. :?

They use to publish a lot of the engines in Popular Hot Rodding.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby David Vizard » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:58 pm

I hear no rules until PRI. Damned if that doesn't keep us guessing. Greg seems tight lipped on rules but I do know that 289 is lower than the lowest limit that is going to be allowed.

My thoughts here would be to have 350 as the lower limit as it would allow 5.0 strokers into the game as well as the bigger Ford Mod Motors.

Before Greg solidifies the rules we need to make our thoughts known here so let's have some lower limit inches and the reasons why.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Tom Walker » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:11 pm

Regardless of the specific rules, hearing and seeing the engines run on the Dyno in competition is the most thrilling form of motorsports for me. I love the simplicity of just the engine doing its thing..it is awesome!

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby GARY C » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:55 pm

David Vizard wrote:I hear no rules until PRI. Damned if that doesn't keep us guessing. Greg seems tight lipped on rules but I do know that 289 is lower than the lowest limit that is going to be allowed.

My thoughts here would be to have 350 as the lower limit as it would allow 5.0 strokers into the game as well as the bigger Ford Mod Motors.

Before Greg solidifies the rules we need to make our thoughts known here so let's have some lower limit inches and the reasons why.

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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby MadBill » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:12 pm

Generally speaking, for a given number of cylinders the fewer cubes the better re specific power.
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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Walter R. Malik » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:24 pm

MadBill wrote: Generally speaking, for a given number of cylinders the fewer cubes the better re specific power.


That is only true if there is no upper RPM limitation. TORQUE output is a major player if there is one.
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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Barry_R » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:58 pm

David Vizard wrote:Am I understanding this? Are we saying no more EMC at UNO or anywhere else for that matter?

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The magazine has been discontinued. The contest lives on with coverage in Hot Rod.
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Re: Race Engine Challenge

Postby Barry_R » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:14 pm

midnightbluS10 wrote:
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BOSS 429 wrote:unlike emc where most if not all will never see a car, be nice to see one installed in a car, and driven


It is obvious that you have no real clue about how or where some of those EMC engines continue to live.

Several reside in cars, trucks and even boats and have for years after the running of that contest.

You may not agree or even like that contest but, at least know what you are talking about.





Didn't somebody build one and run it in EMC, put it in a car that put quite a few miles on it after the contest, and then pulled it out and took it back the next year without so much as a freshening?


That is mine. A 433 inch FE that has been in a couple Challenges over the years. We built it, competed successfully, and then brought it back and installed it in my car. Took the car to the FE race in Beaver Springs that April & ran it, took it to the Fairlane show at Ford HQ later that summer, ran it at the Detroit Dragway Reunion at Milan, and took it to the Woodward Cruise. Basically made sure that the car with that engine was visible at lots of places. Then we pulled it out & changed just the cam (did not even pull the intake - held the lifters up with tag wire) and entered it into the following year's Challenge. Cam change was because they lowered the RPM range for that particular year. After that run - again reasonably competitive - it went back into the car where it still resides. Although its getting really tired with well over 300 dyno pulls and several dozen passes, it still ran an 11.0 in my 3700 lb streeter Torino a short while ago - smoking like a train and really deserving a true freshening. The whole point was to prove that these are not fragile dyno queens.
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