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Also goes from a larger radius to a tighter radius in the corners, has a 1.5° taper built into the runner but have the ability to manipulate it.
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900HP wrote: Then I went to the event and got bit by the exhaust system and lost around 100 points with the huge torque dip we had because of exhaust system not being happy. We had an absolutely beautiful torque curve at home but at the event had a 60 ft/lb dip at 3400 rpm and another one of around 30-40 ft/lbs at 4500 or so. It ruined our score and negated any advantage we had with the intake manifold.
Certainly not the first time anyone has been bit by the UNOH exhaust system being different than the "home" exhaust system.

The IR runners work more like true IR if the bells are farther away from each other. Every runner is still "ringing" with large pressure pulses between IVC and IVO, so irregardless of the firing order, alternating pressure pulses at each bell affect every bell nearby. Lets say the alternating pressures between IVC and IVO are +/-4 psi, you can imagine the magnitude of the disturbance happening when rapidly applying + 4 psi or -4 psi at a cross sectional area like the base of the bell. Bearing in mind a flowbench only runs about 1 psi. and there is a pretty good "whoosh" from a flowbench for an area of that size. Its possible at some rpm level to make the close bell effect an advantage by having the right pulse at the right time, but that would be more beneficial for a narrow powerband application.
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Which is why we pointed the bells all kinds of funny ways and got kidded lots about them
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900HP wrote: Then I went to the event and got bit by the exhaust system and lost around 100 points with the huge torque dip we had because of exhaust system not being happy. We had an absolutely beautiful torque curve at home but at the event had a 60 ft/lb dip at 3400 rpm and another one of around 30-40 ft/lbs at 4500 or so. It ruined our score and negated any advantage we had with the intake manifold.
Certainly not the first time anyone has been bit by the UNOH exhaust system being different than the "home" exhaust system.

The IR runners work more like true IR if the bells are farther away from each other. Every runner is still "ringing" with large pressure pulses between IVC and IVO, so irregardless of the firing order, alternating pressure pulses at each bell affect every bell nearby. Lets say the alternating pressures between IVC and IVO are +/-4 psi, you can imagine the magnitude of the disturbance happening when rapidly applying + 4 psi or -4 psi at a cross sectional area like the base of the bell. Bearing in mind a flowbench only runs about 1 psi. and there is a pretty good "whoosh" from a flowbench for an area of that size. Its possible at some rpm level to make the close bell effect an advantage by having the right pulse at the right time, but that would be more beneficial for a narrow powerband application.
Clint, this is a graph of the very first pull we made with the carbon TR. The smaller curve is our very best pull with the 2nd best intake we had. The fuel corrections were maxxed out at +25% on this pull :shock: . We were able to improve on the shape of the torque curve dramatically over this but I don't have any photos. You can see a hint of the 3400 rpm dip here which turned into the 60 ft/lb crater at UNOH. Obviously there are some IR things going on as well but by the time we were done with it we had a very pretty curve.
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nitro2 wrote:... Every runner is still "ringing" with large pressure pulses between IVC and IVO...
Speaking of same, some years back I saw a story re a very highly-developed race engine that lost a whack of power when its (rounded corner rectangular) aluminum air bell/tubes were replaced with identically dimensioned very thin carbon fiber ones. Apparently the new ones were 'panting' under the influence of the pressure pulses, negatively affecting the tuning.

I'd expect round tubes to be less of an issue but it does give one pause, especially if using say silicon hose for part of the runner length.. :-k
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MadBill wrote:... some years back I saw a story re a very highly-developed race engine that lost a whack of power when its (rounded corner rectangular) aluminum air bell/tubes were replaced with identically dimensioned very thin carbon fiber ones. Apparently the new ones were 'panting' under the influence of the pressure pulses, negatively affecting the tuning.

I'd expect round tubes to be less of an issue but it does give one pause, especially if using say silicon hose for part of the runner length.. :-k
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