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katman wrote:How long do the carbon filters last? In my saltwater tanks, they last less that 2 weeks. I use 3 ounces of Acetone, 3 ounces of Xylene, and 3 ounces of AMSOIL PI (performance improver) per 10 gallons of fuel. I'm very happy with the results!
We used to reckon on 5000km (just under 4000 miles) per cannister... they were large cannisters however - roughly 4" diameter by about 12" long.... probably lasted longer but we changed them at those intervals.

Fuel only goes thru a little 3/8" fitting when motor running so it seemed to last ok when racing or road work. Combined with a Fuelstar tin catalyst we had an 11:1 340 Mopar than ran a best of 13.9 on avgas (pinged its head off on premium pump gas) get to a best of 13.6 on regular pump gas and no ping.

Those that know how bad a quench clearance there is on Mopar open chamber head motors will know that 11:1 will not work on unleaded pump gas. So to run on REGULAR unleaded and go faster - the customer was impressed. And so were we because we had no idea what we were doing back then - just trying new things - and hanging on to what worked.

In those days tin catalysts were new so nobody was laughing at us. 500,000 units later - fleet operators of Fuelstar are now laughing all the way to the bank as 1 point in mpg can be worth several $000 p.a., but the experts still mass debate over the fact it's not 100% predictable in every possible engine combo....

gee - what if I tried it and it didn't work - oh goodness - could I ever live with myself - for having to take it back and get my money back - oh the shame, the guilt... I tried something and people laughed at me :lol:

lighten up people - text books only tell us part of the story

the tin catalyst when it was installed right probably did more than carbon as far as lower octane requirement went - but as far as 1/4 mile time - it was 13.7 on Fuelstar alone, then 13.6 on carbon as well...

obviously more than octane was invovled here or it would have simply just matched the avgas results. To be better than avgas - the treated pump gas had to be better burning... it would be safe to say the avgas used was not the good stuff too - but it would still have been 100 rating.

for a Cuda that had spent a lot of time in practice and tuning to get to consistent 13.9 runs - time after time - to suddenly drop to 13.6 on tall gears and 727 - by simply treating pump gas that it should not have been able to run on - was a great result.

Activated carbon is wonderful stuff - it can attract undesirables to itself at a ratio of 1000 times it's own molecular mass... good for nausea, sucking out poison, stopping the dog from farting... or your wife...

of course - women don't fart -


do they?




us guys don't need it - we're our own walking entertainment pack :wink:

doc - thanks.

One thing I would love to try is hydrogen peroxide... I was communicating with 2 Swedish brothers that had this stuff down to an art - and were getting great results at 1 liter per 10,000km of gas of 60% pure peroxide on a 2 liter Saab. Right down to safe materials to use, how to handle, and injectors.

It had huge potential but they ran foul of some oil company. They seemed very nervous about something and would only tell me an oil company was harrassing them heavily. Then I got a short email that said they might have to run... and I lost contact... sounded weird - cloak and dagger stuff - but there may have been more to it - whatever - I never heard of them or PFI (their term for Peroxide Fuel Injection) again.

but the tech info they passed on to me is something I definitely want to explore when I get a chance later on. They used a catalyst (I think it was a precious metal gauze) to react the peroxide with air then draw it into the motor via what they called an injector but was really a fancy jet.

Emissions went almost away, fuel could lean back 30% and by dialing in more you could increase power at will.... if too much it simply straightened the crank as the torque became like a straight line and the crank could not take it.... so they used to keep it conservative. They said the car needed virtually no gears as the torque was so strong and flat. They also used it on snowmobiles and won every event they entered.

someone needs to carry on this research as peroxide is cheap, nitro is not.
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Torquemonster wrote:
katman wrote:
One thing I would love to try is hydrogen peroxide... I was communicating with 2 Swedish brothers that had this stuff down to an art - and were getting great results at 1 liter per 10,000km of gas of 60% pure peroxide on a 2 liter Saab. Right down to safe materials to use, how to handle, and injectors.

It had huge potential but they ran foul of some oil company. They seemed very nervous about something and would only tell me an oil company was harrassing them heavily. Then I got a short email that said they might have to run... and I lost contact... sounded weird - cloak and dagger stuff - but there may have been more to it - whatever - I never heard of them or PFI (their term for Peroxide Fuel Injection) again.

but the tech info they passed on to me is something I definitely want to explore when I get a chance later on. They used a catalyst (I think it was a precious metal gauze) to react the peroxide with air then draw it into the motor via what they called an injector but was really a fancy jet.

Emissions went almost away, fuel could lean back 30% and by dialing in more you could increase power at will.... if too much it simply straightened the crank as the torque became like a straight line and the crank could not take it.... so they used to keep it conservative. They said the car needed virtually no gears as the torque was so strong and flat. They also used it on snowmobiles and won every event they entered.

someone needs to carry on this research as peroxide is cheap, nitro is not.
Okay, I've been trying to take this seriously, but come on......
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Here Bob this should help with your doubts;

Hydrogen Peroxide Injection

Hydrogen Peroxide Injection
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thanks again putztastics

the guy told me he was afraid and may have to run... was he a paranoid?

who knows

is he and his brother even alive?

who knows - i don't

was it even related to their PFI work?

he implied it was - but again - who knows - not me

for those that have trouble getting their heads around the real world when you start to go beyond the boundaries set for the masses - there are certain no go zones.

e.g. People who do not think a 3 trillion dollar industry would kill over water engine technology if they had too are too stupid for words. Those that know the truth are not conspiracy idiots, even the masses know privately because the answers are self evident when the questions are intelligent enough.

I can tell you straight up - people have disappeared over a LOT less than water combustion technology... is peroxide technology worth their attention???

i have no clue

re water splitting - i do have a clue. Besides the NZ west coast guy that was escorted away forever now presumed dead (witnesses saw 2 men never identified take him away from his rural property) - I'm let's say friendly with a water engine guy who has a tertiary masters degree. He has had death threats already and the project is early days yet.

Welcome to the real world folks - beneath the comfy fantasy of CNN and Fox. think I'm being stupid?

crack water on demand - publish your achievement - even better - film it... and wait. You will never see the world the same way again after a friendly little contact - I guarantee it.

follow the money and you'll find limits to your freedoms you never knew were there.
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...well, I don't have any knowledge of the existence or tactics of this "corporate underworld". it's a neighbothood I don't visit often. So, I'm obviously ignorant of how things work at that level. And, I have a poor record of accuracy on subjects I'm ignorant about. So, I won't speculate on that, nor will I assume Torquemaster is making it up.

Torquemaster is passing on his own experiences. It's not a life-altering decision to try the acetone. He has no profit motive. And, it's pretty simple to discontinue use if it doesn't work for you. Most people can give it a try without suffering permanent emotional scarring no matter the outcome.

There is practically no correction factor between real-world MPG results and real-world MPG results. As far as testing, I think that would be sufficient.

I appreciate Torquemaster sharing the information. If it's wrong, we can always hunt him down and drive a stake through his chest.
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