PRO SYSTEMS wrote:your theory is flawed. Re read your post and correct your statement, I think you'll see it when you re-read it..
I have re-read it, I must be missing something ....please let me know what I missed....point out my flaw on the public forum.
I have studied E85/Ethanol for the last 6 years, If Im incorrect on some of my findings please let me know....Im up for a healthy debate about E85 fuel. Which is the only fuel I build carburetors for.
Also, Drag Chevette, I assume you have wet-flow or dyno equipment to verify that you have built a proper fuel curve for the customer, otherwise they might as well buy the "kit" and do it themselves. ???
I agree that a wet flow bench is a vital tool for carb tuning, and someday I too will have one and use it as a base line setting.
but for now im going with what I know works, and what has been track tested (mother approved)
If a customer finds the curve to be off, I work with them to correct the problem....so your saying when I have my bench I wont need to do this anymore?...i dont think so, I will continue to work with my customers.
If you do not, then you are guessing and folks are getting ripped off and that is damaging to everyone in our business' reputation.
you may see it as they are getting ripped off, I see it as they are getting a conversion that is better than any kit, which they were going to do anyway and to me this is good customer service.
I dont disagree that people get ripped off, that why I tell everyone to do their research and find out what they are getting for the money they spend, the ultimate choice for a carburetor belongs to the customer.
all I know is that My conversions are better than the "Kit".
your carbs may or may not be better than mine...we have not done any testing on yours so I wouldnt know and neither would you!
If I offer my customers a service at a reasonable price, then thats ok too.
Fuel curve is extremely important as it DIRECTLY effects the consistency in performance and the vehicles overall performance.
YES, you are correct....LM2 tuning has played a part in several of my carb modifications, and though I am not yet a large company...I have done many carburetors and have yet to have any returned to me for repairs.
Pro systems deals with many types of carburetors, and they have been successful in producing a great product.
I however do 1 type of carburetor, I do only E85.... guess you can say I specialize in E85...???
I focus on what I know, and im offfering a good service for my customers, those that want to switch to E85 at an affordable price.
If you (as a customer) are installing a "kit" you should be aware that these are not optimized programs simply air to fuel ratio "kits" that get you in the ball park (oftentimes have very wavy fuel curves that are tough to predict and tune).
thank you, I have been telling people this for 6 years, glad to hear someone else agrees.
For true consistency from these kits or shops that have no real technology, you THEN need to either install some wide band data acquisition on your vehicle and map the fuel curve and spend the time correcting/tuning it yourself. Or simply send it to a shop that has wet flow technology so the work is done before you get it.
OK, this is an Insult to me.....Yeah, your right Patrick....you should have all the business....the rest of us are Idiots that dont have a clue...technology is a good thing...and I agree your carbs are some of the best out there...but your not the only kid in the game...and sometimes good old fashion hard work, and real world testing is just as good as modern technology.
Many folks have gotten a bad taste in their mouth on E85 because of "kits", we get them in the shop everyday.
yeah me too....i dont like kits....
So if you are having trouble jetting your carb or the vehicle is inconsistent, then contact a company with some technology and get this situation corrected.
yep, you should do that....you should send your carb to a company that will come on a message board and slam someone for trying to make a living doing what he knows works....
Pro System or myself, again I say research what your getting for the money spent....
Just because some one has equipment (technology) doesnt always make them better... when it comes to E85, I know my carbs.
Unfortunately, its oftentimes cheaper to have sent it in to someone in the first place.
However, sometimes it works out...its truly a gamble.
this is very true, it is a gamble, you can send it to Pro systems and have it done with technology and pay for the flow bench while its there....
or have the little guy build it, provide customer service after the sale, talk to you on the phone and help you figure out what it is doing on your car so that it can perform to your satisfaction.
flow benches dont know your engines needs.....I dont know how Pro Systems does their follow up, and thats not my concern.
what is my concern is the customer support I give before , during , and after the sale...
Patrick James
PRO SYSTEMS
"Home of the highest powered naturally aspirated E85 engine on the planet".
1264 h.p. through the mufflers.
Mark Sullens
"Home of a 9 second Chevette, thats very budget and happens to use E85"
580 hp , open pipes.
LOL....I have to laugh at this post to think that a company with the size and money that pro systems has is worried about whether or not I screw up someones carb.....
I understand that there are many carb builders, some good and some bad. Some provice excellent customer servcie and some don't.
Please don't get me wrong, I will never intentionally talk bad about someone else way of making a living. Plus I personally heard that pro systems does a fine job, and if I attacked you in any way, my apologies! If i did it was only because I felt as if you were attacking me. But in turn I wish you would have checked me, my carbs and my customer service out before you attack my reputation.
I look forward to further debates, and know that there is room enough in this world for more than 1 E85 carb builder...
feel free to call me if you have any E85 questions:
Mark Sullens
573 694-4088