Tighter Bearing clearance Vs looser

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Tighter Bearing clearance Vs looser

Postby whtrthanu » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:29 am

Has anyone done any testing with the lower viscosity oils and tighter bearing clearances?
I was trying to decide whci way to go this winter if its worth it power wise to use the lighter oils vs the heavier wt.
I never really seen much gains from the 0/30 to a 20/50 once the oil was up to temp.....But for a drag motor it maybe worth it because its a little tough getting the oil up to temp in the lanes....

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Postby rmcomprandy » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:22 pm

You'll want to use the tightest bearing clearance you CAN use without any bearing distress.
Finding that point with your combination is usually a tedius process with a lot of disassembly and checking bearings.

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Postby PackardV8 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:30 pm

Another variable is "has the block been line-honed?" I'd always be willing to accept a bit tighter main bearing clearance on a line-honed block than an unknown.

FWIW, some of the old OEM Shop Manuals are an interesting read: Main bearing clearance - .0005" to .0025".

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Postby bigjoe1 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:09 pm

I do not agree with the tighter bearing clearance at all. Maybe for strret engines, but NOT FOR RACE engines

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Postby Barbapapa » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:18 pm

I've had experiences that make me a believer in looser bearing clearances. The downside might be a low oil pressure reading at idle, that's mainly a problem if the car winds up in the hands on an average non car guy :wink: Problems don't occur at idle but when the engine is stressed and bearing bores don't stay round and pinch bearings!
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Postby 3V Performance » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:50 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:You'll want to use the tightest bearing clearance you CAN use without any bearing distress.
Finding that point with your combination is usually a tedius process with a lot of disassembly and checking bearings.



I agree with above post.

On Cup engines we work real hard on less clearance to control leakage better. 1.5 to 2.0 is normal on our 850+ hp 9500rpm engines. Our oil temps do run higher then a most for a longer time.
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Re: Tighter Bearing clearance Vs looser

Postby Ron C. » Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:12 pm

whtrthanu wrote:a drag motor it maybe worth it because its a little tough getting the oil up to temp in the lanes....


He said it's a drag racing motor, I agree with Joe Sherman on this issue.

For the life of me I can not figure out on a drag racing motor why anyone would want those tight clearances. Stay in the .003 for mains and .003 to .004 for rods and the bearings will always be happy.

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Postby rmcomprandy » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:33 pm

Ron C. -
EVERYONE, including Joe, is entitled to their own OPPINION but, when actual test results differ from your theory; I believe the results.

Barbapapa -
IF the components were stressing to the point of distortion you had better believe that a "pinched" bearing WOULD show some sign of distress upon inspection.

Using tight bearing clearances is not to be ventured into with a blind eye; it takes a lot of experamentation to get it just right FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMBINATION.
If all you are looking for is a rule of thumb - I wouldn't go down that avenue.

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Postby want-a-be » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:17 pm

I use .0025"-.003" on about everything I do. IF the block has been line honed I might go as tight as .002" on the mains. But I don't like to.

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Postby trmnatr » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:52 pm

On small blocks i go .003" on the mains and .0025"-.003" on the rods, i prefer the rods to be in the middle of that range

With clearances looser you want a higher volume pumpe but with them tight you dont want a high volume pump

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Postby af2 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:05 pm

Randy, If I am wrong tell me.
Drag racing has a whole lot of cold oil hence the bigger clearance.? I know mine doesn't see hotter oil until I reach the finish line. I feel the point's from the other poster's are well taken.

I also agree if you have the proper oil temp you could close the clearance as said.

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Postby Warp Speed » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:20 pm

The better the parts are, the tighter you can run them. And there is advantages in running tighter clearances/thinner oil both from a HP and durability standpoint.

This thread will either get interesting or die real quick!

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Postby stealth » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:28 pm

Hmm.. lest see....

$13,000+ engine vs. MAYBE a few hp through better oil ctrl...

Without a NASCAR engine building budget....I'll take the larger clearance.

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Postby new engine builder » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:30 pm

stealth wrote:Hmm.. lest see....

$13,000+ engine vs. MAYBE a few hp through better oil ctrl...

Without a NASCAR engine building budget....I'll take the larger clearance.
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