Bos's5.0 wrote:...have anything what so ever to do with the companies they represent.
The only connection to the production designs,
is the number of cylinders and name on the check.
Just like "Harley" in NHRA Pro Stock bikes.
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As long as it is a clean sheet design and not a clone that should prove quite innovative.SchmidtMotorWorks wrote:"You can't please all the people all the time"
If they used a 429 or 460 style design they would make the stock Ford authentic people happy but the people that want an engine that could win would be sad.
THANKS FOR ALL THE UPDATES DARIN!!Darin Morgan wrote:Its all still rolling forward. Actually things are happening pretty quickly from where I sit. It usually takes at least a year (or more) for a project like this to finalize. Heck guys, we met in September of last year and we are not even a full nine months into it. This is the fastest Pro Stock engine design to come out I have ever seen.
Tooling is being machined and the hard parts are right around the corner.
mach9 wrote:Apparently the guvment motors cars may be running short on parts before years end.
http://www.competitionplus.com/index.ph ... 0&Itemid=7
One thing a lot of people don't understand about engine/cylinder head design is there are really only a couple of configurations that can even be made to work mechanically.I would have liked to seen something that was uniquely Ford when the hood is off!
More like a canted valve head like a Cleveland 9.5° X 3.5°. Seems like most canted valve Pro Stock heads have evolved from the Cleveland not the BBC.SchmidtMotorWorks wrote:One thing a lot of people don't understand about engine/cylinder head design is there are really only a couple of configurations that can even be made to work mechanically.I would have liked to seen something that was uniquely Ford when the hood is off!
Sure it's easy to say, "I'll just put the valves here and the ports there" etc. but when you actually start putting in the lifter bores, head bolts and valve train, you quickly find that cylinder head design is all about what compromises you make to have your goals fit together.
All of the compromises are connected in a chain, for example, let's say you start with a design like the old 429 Ford with the long exhaust rockers that you want to improve. You decide you want to have a shorter exhaust rocker so you start moving lifter bores and valves, hmmm, the head bolt pattern I wanted won't work now, so you change that, hmmm that puts a bolt through the side of a port, so you move that, hmmm and finally you work out a new set of compromises that meet your goal of having the shorter exhaust rocker but guess what; you have just morphed it into either a canted valve head like a BBCs or something like a Hemi.
If you think you can just design whatever you want and it will all fit together, try it.
Thank you. The Dodge mirror is a copy of a Ford resin model that has a Ford Racing PN. It dates to 1999.phoenix wrote:Jon, never said I could do better at engineering a new engine. I would have liked to see it look a little different rather than exact clone. When Sonny used Tom Roberts head he changed the valve cover shape. We all knew what it was underneath, but he made it his own.
Buy the way, Rick Smith (Trick Flow) came up with the "Mirrored" Hemi head design before Mopar. It was for a proposed 4.5 BS SB engine with 9 cam bearings about 10 or eleven years ago. He wanted to use it in PST.